Amazon Workers in Alabama Vote Against Forming a Union

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  1. Bluesguy

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    In person, onsite secret ballot. It's unions who have been trying to get rid of the secret ballots in union elections.

    Unions against secret ballot

    Their number has finally been called in the Senate, which is expected to vote soon on the grossly mislabeled Employee Free Choice Act. The bill, passed by the House three months ago on a 241-185 vote, would essentially do away with secret ballots in organization elections and impose a card check system nationwide.
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/unions-against-secret-ballot/
     
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    Unions have a history of violence. Say, I later on owned my machine shop. I had one customer that built machines for the paper industry. I also had as a customer one of the paper companies engineers groups. They designed machines and I made the parts for those machines. Fortunately when I owned the shop, none of my customers went on strike.
     
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    Well now, if it's so damn good for "employees" then it should be even better for "voters" in general elections! Wonder if the Dems are up to that? LOL
     
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    I think the Dems would love getting rid of the secret ballot.
     
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    How many UAW officials have gone to prison recently?
     
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    Because slimy unions want that buck(s) from hard working Americans so they can keep their slimy little jobs.
     
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    Proof, please.
     
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    Again, do you have PROOF t5hat Amazonians are getting fired without cause?

    We'll wait for you to come up with something that is actually relevant to something that actually happens at Amazon.
     
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    Fake ballots. Already tons of reports of fake ballots and unmarked vans and bags of USB drives. No ID requirement. Pathetic!
     
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    Because the workers they tried to organize didn’t reject it, the workers Amazon added to the unit did. Which is why they were added.
     
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    Is this the workers in Alabama are so stupid they don't know what's good for them argument?
     
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    God that would be nice. But I’ve heard promises of card check before
     
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    No, they’re so intimidated by mgmt lies and threats
     
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    The election was held under the terms the union wanted, all mail in ballots. There biggest complain is the company request a mail box be place at the gate.

    A RESOUNDING and EMBARASSING union defeat.
     
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    So you are against the secret ballot?
     
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    So they are so stupid they don't know what's good for themselves...........................your only argument is to insult the workers for not voting as YOU wanted them to.
     
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    We all know how mail in ballots is susceptible to fraud. Stolen ballots from mail boxes. Can't trust these results. I have a friend who votes and all the co workers he knows voted to unionize so there is no way it was a 70/30 split. He is willing to sign an affidavut attesting to these facts.
     
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    I’m for card check
     
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    No I’m insulting the employer for fear mongering and intimidation
     
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    Why?
     
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    The shift has happened. Was on it's way before COVID, but it's now picked up pace.

    It's no longer about 'class' (income and heritage), it's about property. Even working class people who own property will be the 'haves', while higher income renters will be the 'have nots'. Every worthwhile expert in this stuff is saying the same thing - and they're saying it's a certainty.

    You have to love it, if you claim interest in egalitarianism and opportunity. It's no longer about socioeconomics, and that's a HUGE win.
     
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    I haven't read any workers being fearful and intimidate and were quite vocal in their opposition. The workers won and defeated the attempts by union bosses to run their lives. They wanted no part of the union from the start. This is the norm across all industry and business.
     
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    Why? So unions can intimidate and threaten workers?
     
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    Yes there was a way and the Labor department and the Union oversaw the election. It was the UNION that insisted on an all mail in election.

    The employees won and defeated the union RESOUNDINGLY.
     
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    Perhaps this is one reason workers what nothing to do with unions these days

    "To answer that question, we might turn to Frank Giovinco, recently sentenced to four years in prison for managing the Genovese crime syndicate’s control of two labor unions in Brooklyn. If Giovinco is unavailable for comment, we might ask Charles Farris Jr., the former president of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) affiliate in New Castle, Pa., who has been indicted on five felony counts of theft and five felony counts of “access device” fraud, which is what they call it when you steal money using an ATM card; Cathy Byers, the former treasurer of the AFT affiliate in Ronceverte, W. Va., convicted of wire fraud; James Young, the former president of the AFT’s Philadelphia affiliate, convicted of embezzling; Joseph Ashton, the former vice president of the United Auto Workers and former director of the UAW-GM Center for Human Resources in Detroit, convicted of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money-laundering in connection with his receipt of kickbacks on a multi-million-dollar vendor contract; Angel Luis Garcia, the former financial secretary of the Amalgamated Transit Union local in Dover, N.J., convicted on embezzling charges; Michael Johnson, the former president and business manager of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1658 (Pine Bluff, Ark.), convicted of embezzling; Tyrone Johnson, the former president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 3374 (Baltimore), indicted on theft and embezzling charges; Brenda Wilson, the former president of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) Local 3841 (Columbia, S.C.), indicted on a charge of making false statements to federal investigators; Sandra King, the former president of the Federation of Police and Security and former president of the Alliance of Independent Workers (both locals in Maryland), sentenced for embezzling; Aja Jasmin, the former president of the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 350C (Ontario, Calif.), charged with wire fraud and aggravated identity theft in an embezzling scheme; or Michael Oldham, the former president of AFGE Local 1900 (Taunton, Mass.), indicted on 29 counts of wire fraud along with making false statements to investigators and tax charges.

    A few bad apples, you say? All these cases are from 2020, and there are many, many more from the same year. That’s a whole peck of bad apples.

    Other than the Genovese captain, the cream of last year’s crop is probably former UAW president Dennis Williams, convicted of conspiracy to embezzle in a scheme involving a villa in Palm Springs and thousands of dollars in golf-club fees: a genuine blue-collar working man, right there. One bad apple? Not according to the Department of Labor: “Throughout the conspiracy, which included many other top UAW officials, including Williams’ successor, Gary Jones, Williams and his co-conspirators embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars from the UAW for the personal benefit of themselves and other high-ranking UAW officers.”

    Did you catch that? Williams is the second former UAW president convicted in the same case"
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/why-amazon-workers-rejected-unionization/#slide-1
     

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