America has No Allies in a War with Iran!

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of American made products, here's Soleimani's funeral procession in Baghdad today.

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    Yeah! Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet!
     
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    Where are the women?
     
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    Somewhere with a sack over their heads and their lips zipped if they know what's good for them.
     
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    We don't need allies in a war with Iran.

    Which I'm absolutely against, btw. Nothing good can be accomplished by it. But if we were so inclined to destroy them, we wouldn't need help.
     
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    I'm sure tens of thousands of woke, pink hat Western feminists will be along any minute now to protest. (Looks at watch) Yep, any minute now (Hmmm) Must be heavy traffic (whistles "I am Woman Hear Me Roar") Wait... wait... here comes a bus! (Crap it's just the MTA)
     
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    Yep. The Nazi's have hijacked the Fascist left. It was just a matter of time. Even Mussolini was tolerant of Jewish people until Hitler gave him the word in much the same way the Nazi Pelosi gave moderate Democrats the word about impeachment. You're about to become irrelevant ... again.
     
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    You probably weren't paying attention when Obama gave the mullah's a pallet of cash to sponsor terrorism. You probably weren't paying attention when your fellow fascists, sponsored with US tax money, murdered a US contractor. You probably weren't paying attention when we responded in kind by attacking the very same terrorists responsible for the murder. When the leader of your terrorist allies showed up with other terrorists for the purpose of taking our Embassy staff hostage, and met the mass murdering king pin at the airport, a defensive action was taken, killing the mass murder and the leader of the terrorists responsible for the aggression against our contractor. End of story, except that Obama is still walking free despite providing aid to terrorists.
     
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    Who is and has been an illegal combatant in proxie wars that have cost the lives of tens of thousands of people and at least a thousand US citizens. The US collected a small token of the debt he owes us and many if his own people, eternity in hell should cover the remaining balance he owes.
     
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    Parlez vous Francais? Vous avez oubliez Les contributions de la France?
     
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    Then why does the United States keep giving all these ****hole countries money?

    https://concernusa.org/story/foreign-aid-by-country/
    • Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
    • Iraq ($3.36 billion)
    • Israel ($3.18 billion)
    • Jordan ($1.38 billion)
    • Ethiopia ($943 million)
    • South Sudan ($922 million)
    • Kenya ($899 million)
    • Pakistan ($892 million)
    • Nigeria ($644 million)
    • Uganda ($608 million).
     
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    We don't have to. But what do you think is going to happen when Iran tests a nuke in a few months? Trump has backed himself into a corner on that one and his ego will not allow him to back down.
     
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    I don't know. But I hope we take out their facility. We still don't have to go to war. We just send a couple of cruise missiles through the front door.
     
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    Are your fingers trembling?
     
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    And it was wonderful.
     
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    So Obama is bad, but his predecessors who did the same thing are innocent? And which Presidential administration began the Middle East quagmire in the first place?

    Haven't you noticed, it doesn't matter what name you call the so-called 'terrorist' group, it is America/NATO (including Israel) that established, funded, supplied, and weaponized these groups. The function of these so-called 'terrorist' groups is to act as the antagonists in the fake 'war on terror' that was never meant to end. The NATO powers (as with any imperialist power) use these paid antagonists to justify invasions, bombings, wars, and assassinations anywhere & against any person in the world they wish...to weaken & destabilize a region...as well as to provide a cover for covert operations.

    Oh...you want to eliminate that person, that official, or that group that's getting in our way of bribing, getting contracts, and creating a safe place to rape that country of its resources? No problem. Just send in some ISIS militants...tell the world this poor country or poor city got taken over by ISIS...that they're committing horrible acts, and show the world some horrible footage (both fake & real)...then proclaim that the U.S. may have to take military action to save the poor victims in that region...then proceed to bomb the location of the target(s) of assassination.

    Rule of thumb: If war is still being waged in the Middle East, you can bet American/NATO power is sponsoring 'terrorist' groups as both a cover & a means to carry out its own dirty games.

    Recall what Major General Smedley Butler said in 1935:

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

    Sound familiar? Do you think anything's changed since? Just add all the countries since that have been impacted by U.S. military/economic meddling, like Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, etc.

    As soon as the colonialists castrated the native Americans, discovered gold, and embraced slavery, they've been on an endless quest to enrich themselves further...at the expense of the rest of the world. Who is the REAL terrorist? Who has instigated & promoted continued war, destruction, instability, and unrest throughout the world?
     
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    The Iranian General, Soleimani, was working on behalf of the victims of the U.S./NATO's ongoing imperialist onslaught, particularly as a resistance to several NATO-sponsored terrorist groups. When big bully America/NATO begins demanding protection money & a cut of the wealth from bullied nations, who will be there to help these victims? Who will stand up to the bullies? At great odds against him, it took a lot of courage for Soleimani to leave the safety of his country to help other nations resist NATO's dirty tactics.

    Soleimani was considered a brilliant & fearless force against the expansion of ISIS.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasem_Soleimani#War_against_ISIS_in_Iraq

    In a Twitter post, Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif called Soleimani “THE most effective force fighting Daesh (ISIS), Al Nusrah, Al Qaeda et al” and called his assassination an “extremely dangerous & a foolish escalation.”
    https://time.com/5758250/qasem-soleimani-iran-retaliation/
     
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    Are we at war with Iran?
     
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    Opinion polls consistently report that Americans believe foreign aid is in the range of 25 percent of the federal budget. When asked how much it should be, they say about 10 percent. In fact, at $39.2 billion for fiscal year 2019, foreign assistance is less than 1 percent of the federal budget.

    The U.S. provides more assistance than any other country. As the world’s wealthiest nation, that’s appropriate. There is a broad international commitment that wealthy countries should provide annually 0.7 percent of GNP to assist poor countries. Five countries (Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, Denmark, and the U.K.) exceed that benchmark. The average for all wealthy nations is around 0.4 percent. The U.S. ranks near the bottom at below 0.2 percent.


    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/what-every-american-should-know-about-u-s-foreign-aid/
     
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    IF the goal has been to simply take out a nasty man then it could have easily been accomplished with the drone strike accompanied by an announcement that a terrorist cell plotting an attack on the US embassy was destroyed with a follow up announcement that an Iranian general reportedly with ties to international terrorism was present at the time of the strike and was also killed. No muss no fuss, plausable deniability. Iran may or may not retaliate, it's optional Instead Trump opted for an act of war guarenteed to unite Iranians and force a retaliation to which he'll be forced to re-retaliate and so on . He's a stupid man and/or an evil one looking for a war to save his presidency from shame.
     
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    Trump ran on the fact he was going to remove the US from unfavorable deals. He was elected partly for that position. Elections have consequences.
     
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    Some wonder if Trump and his fellow geniuses thought about all this when they decided to take out the Iranian general. Wouldn't it have been much simpler for Trump to admit he was wrong, reenter negotiations with Iran, restore the JCPOA, and remove the harsh sanctions that caused this mess?
     
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    What was unfavorable in the Iranian nuclear agreement that permanently barred Iran form making a nuke?
     
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    Yeah a murdering thug in the pay of Iran, a country that makes a habit of hiring such.
     
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    I am not the president. Neither are you. It is neither of our decisions to make.
    Who do you support that would do better?
     
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    by simpler, did you mean weak leftist position?

    we don't want to succumb to threats...

    we should & will counter those threats quickly & decisively, as it always should have been...

    btw, whatever happened to the left's cry to stand up against bullies?

    aren't terrorists the ultimate bully?

    anywho, i'm reveling in the facts that the left is now supporting terrorists against our own duly elected president...
     
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