America Has The Richest Poor In The World

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  1. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    Man's invention of money and our modern understanding of economics has changed that; it only takes money to make money, not teaching a man to fish.
     
  2. Gaar

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    I didn't say give them money...

    I said give them resources. An education is a resource, just as is money management skills.
     
  3. Gaar

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    The analogy being giving them a marketable skill that will get them money.

    Do we need to draw you a picture?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will give you that, the far right gives more to fanatical churches then any other group.... and they write off that donation cause they feel the gov should refund them for it
     
  5. danielpalos

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    Why would they not be able to obtain what they need, when they need it, by simply giving them money?
     
  6. danielpalos

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    Yes, you need to draw me a picture of a wealthy person needing marketable skills and not better money management skills, even if they never worked a day in their life.

    Why would a person with enough money, not be able to go to school as long as they want until they become more marketable?
     
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    I'll draw you a picture.

    Our underclasses have developed anti-social pathologies within their cultures that have made it impossible to save them.

    The only thing we can do is cut them off, let the entire generation get to work or starve to death and start over from scratch.
     
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    America with all its wealth, technology and resourses shouldn't have any underclasses.
     
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    Yeah, if we dedicated every last cent of wealth, technology and resources and left nothing to the individual in regards to economic freedom we might crush out "relative poverty" but then we wouldn't be America.

    America = Tempered social darwinism, otherwise we might as well just become another lame Social Democratic State incapable of protecting itself on a global level.

    Laissez faire or there is no America.
     
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    I believe that the majority of Americans disagree with you,
    and since democracy is what truly makes America great, well...
     
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    democracy

    Mob Rule

    Tyranny of the Majority.
     
  12. danielpalos

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    I am only advocating solving for official poverty merely because we have already put the time in with our War on Poverty, as a form of equity.
     
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    The "underclasses" are primarily to blame for being, "underclasses."

    We spend 57% of our national wealth supporting the 'disadvantaged.' $2 TRILLION of the $3.6 TRILLION we spent last year. $2 TRILLION of our $2.3 TRILLION REVENUE. Necessitating that we BORROWED another $1,299.6 TRILLION.

    We have been supporting the 'disadvantaged' at this enormous and ridiculous rate for more than 50 years. HALF A CENTURY, and the number of people in the USA in poverty, has more than doubled in that time.

    A brain damaged garden grub could look at the facts and determine, "THIS IS NOT WORKING!"
     
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    Who is going to 'create' or 'generate' all of this money?

    And yes, if you have the resources, you could "learn" for the rest of your life...
     
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    Actually, what is great about America is that we are a Constitutional Republic that guarantees the Right's of the Individual over the mob...

    THAT is what is GREAT about America!!!
     
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    Don't we see the protection of the individual's rights in the rest of the western world as well?
     
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    Why do you discount the effects of mediocre public policy decisions or a positive multiplier effect in modern times?

    Simply investing in infrastructure instead of wars on abstractions could still engender production runs as long as our wars on abstractions.
     
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    From my perspective, mediocre public policies have more to do with it than the "underclasses".
     
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    In case you have missed some of the other arguments, our elected representatives can simply legislate that fiat money be created out of thin air; a positive multiplier effect could account for the rest.
     
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    As many black Americans finish their education, find good jobs and enter the middle class, it looks as more and more of them may be ready to come off Uncle Sam's plantation! Perhaps they are ready to find a better way than a destructive, unproductive path to dependency!

    More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty​ with little, if any, impact on poverty.

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    Uncle Sam's Plantation 1939-2011.

     
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    It may be because mediocre public policy decisions never have a positive effect on structural forms of poverty in our republic.

    Why do you believe that our elected representatives have not been able legislate something as simple as a public policy choice that shall act in an analogous manner, to a rising tide lifting all boats?
     
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    You view democracy as a tyranny?
    Then which tyranny would you prefer instead?
    Tyranny of the rich minority?
    Tyranny of the naturally strong?
    Tyranny off the lucky few?

    -Meta
     
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    The definition of poor in Australia,as in every Western country, is now defined on the basis of whether your children can afford the latest gimick or a fancy pair of jeans. People see the word poor and they immediately bring up some Dickensian image of children in ragged torn clothes, and of a time long departed.The army of Social Security public servants just love those archaic images, as it bolsters their insatiable demands for an extraction of ever higher welfare expenditure from Governments.
     
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    Your appeal to emotion instead of reason would be more effective, if corporate welfare in the US, did not pay multimillion dollar bonuses to persons who are not in official poverty and could afford to hire entire departments to help them conform to rational choice theory.

    I consider it anecdotal evidence that poverty cannot be due to only an individual lack of initiative.
     
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    Why would you say that?

    Because we have helped a few of the other Democratic Nations of the World?
     

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