American Capitalism at its Best – Is Cancer Treatable Or Isn’t It?

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you denied it.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said I didn't watch it. I know what its about because you told me.
     
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    So, chemotherapy attacks cancer cells and a lot more. Is he saying he has found something which only attacks the cancer cells and does not harm the rest of the person and is this something to do with genetics? Does it have a problem in being cheap?
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Oh bull S**T too, In standard business practice it's the precise OPPOSITE. there are MYRIAD examples of where companies have thrown away marvelous opportunities because it wouldn't effect the stock's quarterly dividend. It's been argued that's because of standard fiduciary law, a company can be sued if it doesn't do everything it can to maximize short term profit.

    And the second reason is bovine excrement too. I remember seeing ads for this guy who had a carburetor that made gasoline out of air and offered to sell this car that ran on nothing, but he swore all his customers to secrecy about how they got it since the car companies AND the oil companies had tried to kill him several times. Pity none of them thought of just BUYING it from him instead of spending all the millions it cost to purchase the Assassinations Bureau.
     
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    I most definitely do not want to make an issue over it but look again at post # 48.
     
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    Show me one that compares to the cancer treatment industry.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Actually the real problem lies in the fact that human cancers are the best damned fuels for interdimensional warp drive engines ever found. Betcha been wondering why all those UFO's have been coming here.
     
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    You said "That is exactly what this film is all about."
    Thats how I know what this film is about without having watched it.
     
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    This is not completely accurate. It is much more than that. But as I said, it cannot be summarized. If you won't watch the video ...... You know, there is a good reason the video is so long. Guess why.
     
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    Ok I am not interested enough :)
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not end this quickly and tell me what you meant by .....
     
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    'well, no, I havn't already seen this film'
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Oll Cos. They're big, they're powerful and they undoubtedly have great resources in industrial espionage just to protect themselves. Why don't they find who has the cure and BUY it from them. They could make Billions and have all kinds of much needed goodwill doing so.

    Oh, but wait, the possessor of the cure just cuts them in for a part, right? Like the oil cos would want a part of some millions instead of the whole of some billions

    I'm sorry but bull s**t. I've heard this before, it 's like perpetual motion.
     
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  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What are the components missing? Can you tell us that?
     
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    now that we know it's a mitochondrial disease, maybe some progress will be made

     
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    Thats an awful lot of words that are not even one of the 'myriad of examples' that you claimed...
     
  17. Thingamabob

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    It's here:

     
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    It's not magic. If it was real he would put together a proper set of trials. But he won't, because it's worthless and real trials would show that. Pretty simple really.
     
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    Post #1, 3rd sentence down. THE cure for cancer is what you said.
     
  21. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I notice that you are not using quotes on the ALL CAPS. So you're feigning lack of English comprehension and running out the back door. No surprise to me.

    You also failed to respond to the first part of my response to you. I'll repeat it:
    Have you anything to say now? You do see my question to you, right?
     
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    Miracle cures for being overweight, for restoring male virility and related things, and for cancer, turn up a lot. There is demand, so there will be supply.

    Often the suppliers are very persuasive.

    I'm on a lot of right-wing mailing lists, which probably have a high concentration of old white not-poor men. So I get a fair amount of these sorts of ads, along with ones about buying gold before the Great Crash. Some of the accompanying videos are amazingly well done.

    If you want a typical example, try this fellow, Dr Perlmutter, the 'grain brain' guy.

    Before the rise of scientific medicine, this was all we had. Various people, some perhaps sincere, promoting miracle cures for everything.

    Now we can do better. There is a scientific community, there are protocols for testing proposed cures. They aren't perfect -- many medical researchers are in fact inadequately trained in statistical analysis -- see John Ioannidis' paper, Why Most Published Research Findings are False. But science tends to be self-correcting -- if you can disprove some widely-held belief, your career is made.

    The problem is especially bad in the so-called social sciences, like psychology. It's called the "replication crisis". (Plus there is extreme bias and even outright dishonesty in many academic studies involving politically controversial topics, especially those to do with race. The lying Ad maiorem Dei gloriam syndrome is at work. But in real science, not so much.)

    However, it's the best method we have: double-blind randomized trials with a control group. Not easy to set up, but do-able.

    And, as others have commented, if someone has what looks like a plausible way of making lots of money -- and a cure for cancer would be at the top of the list -- there are a thousand individuals and organizations eager to swoop down and grab it and become the world's first trillionaire. These capitalists are ruthless!

    This gentleman's work has been subject to a lot of investigation by several groups who would love to find a cure for cancer. You can read about their conclusions here:
    The takeaway:
    The scientific community is not perfect. Anyone who thinks it is needs to study the history of N-Rays, or of heliobacter pylori, or of cold fusion, for examples of both Type I and Type II errors ... but these were eventually put right by the methods of science.

    At some point in the future, 'cancer' will be a word like 'polio' or 'diptheria' in the advanced countries. People who read novels about the past will be familiar with the word, but it won't be in the contemporary vocabulary as something to fear. So long as we can spare a tiny bit of money from the enormous amounts we must spend on better weapons systems, we will keep doing research and eventually, we'll beat it. In the meantime, there's money to be made exploiting desperate, fearful people. (Are apricot pits still being peddled as a cure? I had very intelligent acquaintances who fell for that one.)
     
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    I too would be skeptical of this, could just be like praying, some people will cure the cancer naturally after being diagnosed with incurable cancer and give God or him credit, how many has he cured and how many failed and where are the clinical trials

    if you try to help thousands and a hand full survive, that could just be playing the odds
     
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    The death of the electric car was essentially because of
    a - cost
    b - range

    and no proper minded leftie liberal greenie would want to buy one.
    It's only with advances in technology that we are seeing the rise of
    the electric car as a practical alternative to the combustion engine.

    According to the Leftist Conspiriacy Model this shouldn't have happened
    because the oil companies would have put them out of business, particularly
    Tesla. My mother is firmly of the opinion that Elon Musk's day's are numbered
    because he has challenged the rocket industry, the battery industry, the car
    industry, road infrastructure industry, internet service industry and the electronic
    payment industry.
     
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    The claim is that THE cure for cancer is available. According to you. That is a ludicrous statement. And you are the one who made it, in post #1, 3rd sentence down.

    Feeling uncomfortable?
     

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