American Public Schools. Should they continue to be funded?

Well yes you did. The one who had to pay $900,000 for actually doing it and committed felonies trying to cover it .

 

The kids in Finland do MUCH better than most in the world. Let's learn from them. Small class sizes, modern equipment, teachers with PhD's, etc.

 

"Accused " did I miss the sworn depositions and lawsuits? Did I misss him him paying someone $900,000? Did I miss his committing felonies trying to cover it up and paying $90,000 for that along with losing a law license.

 

we are talking about Trump, he was the only one running this election with such accusations

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Clinton was only accused as well, the only case star showed was real was his consensual affair with Monica, which Trump has had such affairs on his wives too

 

When I was in school we had over 30 in a classroom books and a blackboard and we did quite well.

 

Yes, in the 1920's and 1930's. Times change. Public schools 90 years ago are in no way equivalent to the public schools of today.

 

And I gave you the counter argument being the guy who you elected TWICE who was formally and paid $900,000 for when as his wife claimed they were dead broke.

Clinton was FORMALLY accused and tried to hide evidence and committed perjury and obstruction of justice to hide it. Had he not paid the settlement and gone to trial that would all be termed conciousness of guilt. He didn't have a defense and would have lost. That's why he settled. And the OIC was only investigating the perjury and obstruction of justice he and Lewinsky plotted and committed and had indictment in hand bit since Clinton had already settled the undlying offense and Judge Wright had already fined him $90,000 for the perjury he agreed to let Clinton plea bargain the criminal charge if he agreeded to the suspension of his law license which of course Clinton jumped all over.

So what do you have on Trump that even comes close?

 

The difference being what in your opinion?

 

it will cost more to have more teachers and smaller class sizes, but I agree that is better

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he was never elected again after that... Trump was elected by the right

and no, I am not gonna blame Clinton's wife or Trumps wives for their adultery

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We hinder ourselves so much by not taxing our wealthy, giving out mass amounts of foreign aid, and our bloated military contracting budget. We don't get basics.

 

Then fix what's wrong. Vouchers are not the answer. Addressing issues like mainstreaming, common core, and lack of parental involvement is the answer.

 

Today the public education system is driven by politics. Political correctness drives the curriculum. In public schools, its more important for John and Jane to learn that gender is all in their minds, that religion is bad, and that a pop tart in an "L" shape is dangerous, than for them to learn to read and write.

 

Wrong.

Vouchers are the answer. In all other systems except government run healthcare and government run education (and both are total failures), the money goes with the customer. That insures the customer is treated fairly, gets a good product, and holds the provider accountable to the customer.

Mainstreaming is a generally stupid concept. Putting children with significant learning disabilities or behavioral issues in a regular class disrupts the class and burdens the teacher and other students. Mainstreaming is political correctness, its social engineering, its not education.

Common Core - whether its good or bad, get rid of it because it is too controversial. People who support it claim it is a locally driven curriculum, if that's true then its not needed, abolish it and remove all pretense of federal or outside involvement.

Parental involvement - in some areas this is a problem, but not most. Most parents are involved in their childrens education. This is just an excuse used by teachers to dodge the failure of public education.

 

hardly, that is the fake news you read from the right... it's important that kids learn to get along with all kids and not be bullies if that is what you mean

and no one is taught religion is bad, just they are not forced to believe in any one religion, the right woudl like to teach them all but their religion is bad

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Why? I even went double sessions 3rd grade and we all go ta good fundimental education.

We already had the Paula Jones scandal and its sexual harassment / creaing a hostile workplace. And Jones filed her lawsuit the year after he took office. Then you had the chance to remove him from office but you rallied the troops and remember all the Democrats standing on the Capital steps cheering him on? And you guys worship him to this day and would have loved it had Hillary put him on the SCOTUS.

So what did Trump do that comes even close and if someone does file suit against him and he lies in his deposition and gets others to file false affidavits in his defense what say you then, rally around to his defense?

 

why would is cost more to have more teachers, more rooms, smaller class sizes? simple math......

 

That "fake news" meme is so yesterday. And the rest of your screed....off the subject, an attempt to distract from an argument you have lost.

 

Yes do the math it would cost more. Of course that is exactly what the teachers unions want and the leftist politicians want to give them to get their votes. It's not about giving the kids a good education.

 

kids would get a better education, but it would cost more to have more teachers and smaller classrooms, something I do not think tax payers are willing to do

 

Dude, you're like right in stuff. Why don't we look at countries that do education well? I do gotta say though, like America is a much more diverse country then Finlindistan or whatever. What I think we should do is privatize education and let parents pick which schools their rats go to. Get "government" out of the mix. Let them be a referee, rather then competition for private schools. School vouchers always seemed like a good idea to me.

 

I was for Trump before it was cool (leftist biggest fear)

Maybe he's a friend of a sex offender (Bill Clinton). I don't know. I do KNOW Bill Clinton (your hero) settled a sexual assault case where he flashed his junk to some broad and she got like 800k for it. I KNOW he had an affair, in the oval office, on public time, with a public intern, and lied about it under oath... Then there's his wife who attacked his victims, and enabled him.

Those are awesome

 

So send some tactical drones into Muslim owned shops and try to shut them down because they won't serve gays. That would be called "credibility".

but not "voter ID"

Since when has the collective cared about rules/laws. If giving DL to people benefited the "greater good" somehow, you'd justify any action.

AWESOME!!!! YOU WOULD KNOW!!!!

 

Can you imagine the children graduating from public schools when they can't read or write? Can you imagine kids graduating from schools where they are not only not taught to write but are taught that grammar, punctuation, spelling, and structure of social constructs that limit you and all that matters is your ideas. I know you'll laugh but I was actually taught that Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves in the U.S. Political indoctrination has been a cornerstone of public schools for at least 70 years.

 

Theres no evidence of that. Again we are at or near the top globally already.

U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

 

I see, so I wouldn't use the term reactionary to refer to that because I define it differently. I would use the term "progressive" or "regressive" to describe that.

Even then that's not how I would view it. Yeah Trump sucks big time but that's more so due to the divide between libertarians and conservatives within his own party. Other than colonialism being a good position to take, I wouldn't disagree with much that you're saying here.