Americans give Trump negative marks for Helsinki performance, poll finds

Personally, I can't see him stepping down or resigning as his criminal exposure before and during office is monumental, IMO (of course ), & will be devastating. I think he will make a play for constitutional and judicial changes to be POTUS for life. He cannot afford to be replaced unless he can choose his replacement and be pardoned.
The GOP, also, does not seem concerned about the 2018 mid terms so I think (IMO ) that they know the the fix will be in again with this upcoming election.

 

From June 2015 to November 2016 it was abundantly clear, perfectly clear, that Trump was going to lose.

 

I don't know....
He just did the famous Trump back flip again.

"So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!"

After all the gymnastics on the plain first flip. here we are, back where we started.
I can't imagine why his supporters wouldn't believe him this time.

 

He's just flip-flopped again on believing the Intelligence community about Russia and is back on the "hoax" bandwagon again. The news cycle isn't talking about how bad Helsinki was, so "hoax" working when Michael Cohen's tapes didn't. I won't be surprised if he floats the idea of resignation for a while, and flip flops several times before announcing he's not going to resign. I also won't be surprised if he doesn't try to pardon himself, just to see if he can.

Committee45 is running some super partisan commercials here- as in don't vote for a single Democrat or you'll get communism, with the primary coming in a few weeks. (Yes, I'm serious) It's bad messaging this early.

 

I think you might have left out the Comey event in late October that changed the calculus when it came to what was abundantly clear. However, if you're referring to national polling, they got that right. Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million, and that's what national polling measures.

That being said, you're welcome to believe Trump has the support of the majority of Americans and is going to not only run for re-election, but will win in a landslide.

 

How many ways, times and methods can you say it?? It was a monumental F-Up, broadcast live on many networks... Even I'm tired of hearing it by this point, and it's only been 6 days.....

OTOH, here's an interesting review of the debacle.... I'm not sure who the historian is, but I think he makes some excellent points, above and beyond the rhetoric of how bad this set back US/Anybody relations in the world

It's a little long, but let me know what you think... I especially like this point on meetings

SNIP
[I also disagree] that when you sit down to meet with another country that it’s a kind of reward: You reward good behavior by meeting and you punish bad behavior by not meeting. I just don’t agree with that. I think we accomplished something important with Iran when we sat down with the Iranians. The US has been dealing with China, which is not an ally.

[Meetings] are not a reward, and it doesn’t mean that countries get concessions. It doesn’t mean that you’re agreeing with them. Indeed, you can use those meetings in the public sphere to express criticism and dissent. But we should be meeting.
ENDSNIP

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2...ing-history-diplomacy-russia-us-syria-ukraine

 

The only reason he wouldn't run again is to save his company.

It lost over $600 million in 2017 and if he lost the same amount this year, he would be in great financial trouble.

What is really ironic is that he went into politics because he wanted to make money.

But he hadn't foreseen that his name - his main trademark - would become toxic.

 

You’re on, my friend. November is but a few months away, and we’ll see if Trump is a fluke or not.

He isn’t.

 

I’ve gave it some thought and did some research to see if Dems actually have any positive, uplifting things to say about America... nope. Just doom and gloom. All is bad and ****ed up.

Like you said... good luck coming in 2020

 

thx

 

I know people get tired of hearing the same thing, but with Trump, as soon as the media moves to the next crisis, and there is always another crisis, the nation looks past unresolved issues, and they go unresolved. We still have 3000 kids separated from their parents, costing tax payers millions. We have Trump threatening war with Iraq now, just as he did with North Korea, where he gave away the store and got nothing in return. If we keep looking at the next crisis and don't hold anyone accountable for the last one, and we find no resolution to very real problems. People in the DOJ/HHS should be going to jail because those kids are not reunited. Only then will we see the urgency that crisis requires. Congress should be censuring a President threatening war on Twitter…. but no one is held accountable because we're bored.

It's an interesting article. Generally, I agree that meeting with other leaders is a good thing to do… IF our leader has the ability to prepare extensively, defends the US, and can express criticism and dissent. Trump believes his gut is infallible, so he doesn't prepare, and doesn't seem to be able to express criticism in person. Politics doesn't work like real estate, but he doesn't seem to have learned that lesson. We have no idea what was said in Helsinki, what deals were made, and what Trump has already given away in negotiations. We can't trust his word and there are no witnesses. In cases like this one, he doesn't need to be meeting with other countries' leaders without a corp of savvy advisors, and never again in private. Otherwise, I think the article makes very good points…. for a different President than Trump.

 

I think he's going to raise money like he's running again, even if he doesn't actually run.

He's made lots of money as President. He raised over $121 Million for his inauguration, and most of that money is unaccounted for still today. However, you may be right that he won't run again because of his business. I tend to think states requiring the release of tax returns to be on the ballot might sway his decision.

If you are laundering money, you want your business to lose money. It's the same in real estate. It takes something like that to bankrupt a casino, where the house is statistically poised to win. Turnberry has yet to turn a profit, despite dumping millions into it. It's not like he only has one golf course and is learning how to run them and hasn't made a profit yet.

I'm still not convinced he actually wanted to win, but rather wanted to lose and start a new show or network critical of the government. That being said, only time will tell if he actually runs for re-election or not. If polls like the one in the OP don't change radically, it won't matter if he runs or not. He won't remain in office.