An Atheist view on life.

And God could be called Pretruishnafarimatri. But God was the chosen word to describe ------------- God.

But since you say dark matter exists, prove it! Show it to me. I mean MATTER is a thing, not a reaction to something. It is something floating around out there that is affected gravity. Show it to me.

 

In fact, that's the word chosen to describe ALL gods, of which thousands have been invented and believed in. It's a generic term.

I did not say that! I said that "dark matter" is a term used to encompass a set of observations, cause unknown.

Since nobody knows exactly what causes these anomalous observations, all anyone can show you is the observations themselves. I already said that, and you simply ignored me.

 

He did not ignore you he didn't understand you, either because he doesn't understand how science actually works or because he wanted to pretend science and religion are in the same boat.

 

What kind of god wouldn't allow brutal tragedy to happen to innocents? An all-powerful, all-loving one, that's what kind. When a newborn dies of starvation or disease in sub-Saharan Africa, what's your all-loving god trying to teach?

We were discussing pre-ordainment and you gave the example of you knowing an object would fall when dropped. Your question has no meaning.

 

He’s trying to teach that tragedy does happen. That there is evil as well as good. That you can’t see good unless there is evil. It give us the ability to measure out lives. If everything were the same, if everyone were perfectly good and nothing ever bad happened, how would we measure meaning in our lives?

What question? I made a comment about the difference between what is pre-ordained and what is predictable. Your contention is that God is pre-ordaining something because he knows it’s going to happen. I am contending that just because he knows it’s going to happen doesn’t mean he MADE it happen. Again, just because I know an object is going to fall doesn’t mean I made it fall. Nature made it fall. I understand that aspect of nature. God, being our creator, understands the nature things at a level we’ll never comprehend.

 

Yeah, I'll allow one of my children to die a horrible death just to show the others (*)(*)(*)(*) happens.

 

I didn't say he made it happen. I asked if he knew before hand in anyone can make a decision he doesn't know about. It is really a yes or no answer.

If yes, can anyone make a decision he doesn't know about?
If no, how can you say one can make a choice freely. All decisions are known and can't be changed. Notice, no use of force involved.

 

What will be the point of heaven.

God can be. That is different than a creator however.
Actually, God is whatever one wants it to be. Creator, nature, karma, anything.

 

I just love these types of statements coming from you. That type of statement stated as "actually" (check out the definition of that term) ["actually (ˈæktʃʊəl&#618 adv1. a. as an actual fact; really" ] leaves you with no room to complain about what others would declare God to be and would prevent you from further attacking another persons belief regarding what that other person believes God to be or the manner in which that God operates, or the attributes that can be assigned to that God by that believer. Or the mere fact that the other person believes in such a God. You have given your consent to the actuality of such a God.

 

So you're saying that those kids, who were born to starvation and disease, and die from the same after 10 or so years (if they're lucky) .... is god's way of lending YOUR life meaning? Your god feels that in order for your well fed, ease-filled life of plenty to have any sort of meaning, thousands of African babies must die a horrible death?

I'm sure the parents of those dying children are more than happy to accommodate your need for deeper meaning. I'm sure YOU'D be happy for your kids to die the same way if it meant that someone on the other side of the world, in a palace, with servants and catering sized refrigerator, was able to extract a little extra meaning from their day. After all, it'd be god's plan.

 

FYI - I don't attack. I question why one came to the conclusion one did.
Now, some who act all mighty and condescending. I may react more harsh.

ps - someone claiming there was an actual flood that covered the entire earth. Attacking that belief is not attacking God.

 

that's a good question. they claim heaven is sin free because no one will WANT to sin, but at the same time they claim there is free will in heaven. how does that work?

as per usual, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing.

 

Did I say anything about "attacking God"? More of that needless stuff that you like to put in postings shared between you and me.

 

Okay, you can be absurd all you want; no one is suggesting you let anyone die. There are things that are going to happen that are out of our control. I happen to believe God put things in motion. At this point He is not interfering. He is done with all of that. His last act was to put His Son here for our last chance at salvation. You either accept it or you don’t. You obviously don’t and will dredge up any inane argument to promote that. I get it.

 

I believe you were the one that used the term ‘preordained’.

This still falls in the context of God completely understanding the nature in which He created. So, the answer is yes, God knows what we’re going to do before we do it. Just as we know an object will fall to the ground before we even drop it, God understands things at a level we don’t. I’m not sure I understand your ‘if no’ explanation.

 

My poor explanation of this would be that everything will have been accomplished that God wanted to accomplish. Knowledge of good and evil will have completed its rounds and nothing else will be left to learn. Beyond that, since I’ve never been there I can’t claim to know what it will look like. We are told it will be a place of complete peace. Yes, devoid of evil. But, does that mean we will lose our knowledge of what evil was?

I think everyone has their own vision of who God is. I’m not in a place to say they’re wrong except that if it goes outside biblical teachings.

 

You shouldn’t assume you know the first thing about my so-called “well fed, ease-filled life of plenty”. You don’t have the first clue what my life has been like.

How can you ever understand the good you have in your life unless you understand what bad is? I’ve tried to explain this before that what happens on this earth, in our physical world is of no consequence to God. God knows that through suffering comes peace. Those that did suffer will enjoy a peace that many of us “well fed, ease-filled life of plenty” people may never experience. So while us “well fed, ease-filled life of plenty” are assuming things are so good here and now, we may have it very different after we’ve left this physical world.

I’ve seen far too many people that suffered horribly from cancer or other ailments, never blamed God, and remained faithful to conclude God is a mean and tortuous God. So many of those folks that suffered thanked God that they first had life to begin with, and secondly thanked God that THEY could be an example to others that may be taking God for granted.

God may not have made it fair here on earth, but it will certainly be fair in heaven. Your reward is not going to be in your ability to conjure up shrewd arguments to question God’s motives; your reward will be in staying faithful no matter how bad things get. Since you don’t believe, how do you handle adversity? How do you handle when others suffer and you don’t? How do you handle the unfairness of how this world has blessed some and cursed others?

 

So...basically just smile and enjoy the suffering by imagining something better once life kills you even knowing there is no logical way to know it exists.

This makes no sense whatsoever...unless one is insane.

 

I don't expect it to make sense. Even if there isn’t a God, what kind of attitude do you take towards this suffering? Are you just pissed off all the time that some people have it good and some don’t? Or do you try to learn something from it? I don’t think life should be any different when it comes to this whether there is a God or not. You can call it selfish or whatever, but when I see suffering I weep for them; but it also causes me to count my blessings. But what Christians have that you don’t is a belief that no matter what the suffering, there is a better thing on the other side. This gives us a sense of joy – a joy that people like you will never experience. I’m sad for people like you that live in a place where there is only your life and suffering and the demise of your life in the end. I find that to be a pretty dark place.

 

I handle it just fine, it's there, life goes on, I didn't create it, it's not my responsibility.

 

I’ll respond to this… You want to place God in this little box to conform to your limited understanding of Him. It is the nature of what God created. If God had not created good and evil, it would have gone against His nature to do so. It’s really no different than believing we are just here due to a bunch of arbitrary chemical reactions that somehow good and evil popped up out of this. Just as my God and His creation of these things makes no sense, the belief of being here and all the things in it are from spontaneous chemical reactions makes no sense. How does good and evil even become a concept out of a fabrication of nothingness?

And what I mean by ‘of no consequence’ is – God IS life. This life is not our bodies. It is our souls. Our bodies are containers of that life for a time. If you want me to answer why God chose to do this, the only explanation I can give you is “in His own image”. Just like any answer you could give as to why this universe is really here and how life really came to be will never be sufficient, I can’t answer every living question you can conjure in your attempts to discount the existence of this God. Non-believers and the science you so cling to in order to explain this universe comes up pathetically short in explaining most of this universe; and particularly the LIFE that is in it. With every answer you think you have, I can always ask “why?” No answer I give you is ever going to suffice because you have decided it's all fictitious.

 

Good morning alsos. Just a heads up that some members go out baiting people of faith in need for attention. No matter the response you give it will not meet the standard. Sorry this happens but as you seem to be new to the forum it is a good idea to go look at the members post history to determine if your response is worth the effort or time.

 

"""No answer I give you is ever going to suffice because you have decided it's all fictitious""""


Which, of course, is no answer at all. Which is the only answer since all your beliefs are just that, beliefs. With beliefs you can wriggle out of any facts or common sense.....or not answer any inconvenient questions.

 

And your beliefs aren’t beliefs?

Can you articulate the common sense behind believing that life sprung up out of random chemical reactions, where that life previously didn’t exist, and that this life was somehow able to evolve into beings of so-called ‘intelligence’? How exactly does that happen? Details please.

 

You want me to answer questions when you didn't answer mine?

But I, having nothing to hide, will answer.

No, I don't believe ""life sprung up out of random chemical reactions, where that life previously didn’t exist, and that this life was somehow able to evolve into beings of so-called ‘intelligence’"".

Where did I say that??????
I'm smart enough and humble enough(humility lacking in Christians) to say "I don't know".