An epic exchange...Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism

So true. Dems look up to the wisdom of babes.

 

He OBLITERATED this subject. Destroyed her, which is essentially the average female or leftist equality argument. How many times did she try to tell him what he NEVER said? Holy CRAP!!! How often did she try to shove her words in his mouth. She was like the perfect stereotype of the ignorant feminist who doesn't know diddly squat. And whenever he asked her a question, she ignored it and went right back to another "thing" he said in his book, trying to change the subject to avoid looking like a complete fool. And you know she's thinking the whole time, "what a man pig".

 

there's also the fact that an older, respected man is a clear father substitute figure for a lot of sad folks

 

Speaking of tired cliche you just gave us a post full. Human emotion in a debate is beside the point. It just makes you look desperate and silly.

 

How curious, a lefty prof who despises the alt right is now their hero. Maybe it's because he's also a shithole.

 

I'm not debating anything

 

Normal adults are capable of applying critical thinking to evaluate the merits of any claim or strain of thought wholly independent of whatever "identities" are involved in the equation. Abnormal people, personality disordered by victimhood and identity cultures, are the ones who cannot escape seizing on group membership and the generalizations accompanying fallaciously as a substitute for critical thinking. In this respect, the modern LW is one huge ad hominem fallacy running in several different directions. There's no reason for this to be that way, there is nothing inherent in LW politics that couldn't be argued for or expressed honestly, they just -choose- dishonesty and fallacy, and have for decades. IMO, this is a consequence of residual Marxist social destabilization techniques overadapted into leftist politics. They -desperately- need to toss this, as it is not only not winning for them, it tears the country apart socially.

The left should listen carefully to Peterson if he is indeed a lefty (I don't think he'd accept that label). He is describing the path out of the forest for leftism. I doubt they will listen.

Ironically, this anti identity politics claim is one of Peterson's main premises, and it doesn't matter what end of the political spectrum it comes from. Thinking in terms of framing everything as a function of group identity is mind rot, let alone almost insures personal misery, and the political persuasion of the person stating that fact is irrelevant. The only relevant "identity groups" as applies to politics and governing law form with respect to who gets from the state directly versus whatever they give to receive that benefit. All other grouping attempts are irrelevant red herrings. Want to talk about your "identity group" with respect to law and politics? Pull out a ledger and make your -personal- cost benefit case. Anything else is horseshit.

The flaw of modern leftism isn't that the ideas are immoral in themselves (IMO they are, but we never get there), it's that we never get to the ideas through all the subterfuge and fallacies that leftism has erected in place of clear policy positions and rationales for them. The nebulous abstractions of the vogue leftist narratives are not the grounds for any kind of adult policy debate, rather effectively an advertising campaign for the weak-minded. Evidence for this is apparent in the interview, where the simplest clear thinking tears through LW narratives like a hurricane through tissue paper.

Not a big fan of Peterson's life coaching generally, but he is obviously a great clinical scientific mind. Admittedly there is overlap in psychology, so it's understandable to a degree.

 

Referience s to the lady in the video and your comment about her increasingly emotional reponse when she ran out of any real logical means to dispute him.

 

Debating liberals is like shooting fish in a barrel. With the hypocrisy they have, refuting their ideology is easy.

 

That's because critical theory has no chance against the Socratic method.

Liberals argue from a position of preconceived notion that itself is not based on logic.

This is why liberals are encouraged to silence opposing thought through violence instead of debate.

Their leaders know they cannot win those arguments, so in turn foment the tactic of shouting down or assaulting conservative speakers.

 

Maybe they're just laughing.

 

What?

 

Which as Peterson pointed out is the flaw of leftist thought.

News flash Einstein said most people are not capable of true thought. It's through dialog that people actually engage in thought. The ability to have an argumentative dialectic in one's own head to form a 3rd position is a skill reserved for the absolutely brilliant and the clinically insane.

 

It's actually quite obvious when you read biographies about Marx. The man was a textbook covert narcissist. It's no surprise that his theories are catnip to those suffering with personality disorders.

 

"everyone except me is an unthinking robot. wake up sheeple." - like ****ing everyone at some point in their life before they grow up enough to stop being a pretentious ****

not every moment of my ******n day needs to be dedicated to socratic dialogue. pick your battles. sometimes you just want to dunk on a personality cult.

 

He is quite honest that he was an active socialist in his youth. But he saw at the middle level of the party the classic Orwell "British socialists" were running the show. 'They don't so much care about poor people as much as they hate people richer than them.'

There people are poison.

 

Says the guy ranting on a debate forum.

 

In other words, he flattened another SJW with patience and reason. I take it you didn't watch the video.

 

i've been very up front about the fact that i don't give a **** about the video or really anything of peterson's beyond what i've already seen of him.

you have to keep your posting skills honed somehow

 

That is called witting ignorance. Especially when you comment on something you know nothing about and refuse to learn about.

 

oh no, i would hate to miss out on the intellectual value of youtube videos with names like "SJW Feminist TRIGGERED by LOGIC"

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

i'm pretty sure that you're actually proving mine by continuing to insist that debate is the only valid form of speech

 

That is like Putin the chess master v. Obama the checkers player.

I wonder if the world is ready for Trump's three dimensional chess ?

 

Its exactly why the left cant debate.