An Idea Regarding Atheism

Seriously?

It is bizarre to conclude that athiests are running organizations that are atheist!?!

Atheists will say anything won't they?

Unable to conceed the point that its atheists that buy atheist books, and found and run specifically atheist organizations? And this is because Christians are delusionary and prone to imagination?

BRAVO atheists! BRAVO!

 

And christians dont do the same thing? It is called supporting something you are interested in. If you are interested in atheistic philisophy you buy a book and study it; if you are interested in christianity you buy a bible. Also who is too say an athiest running a corporation or orgranization will make it strictly and athiest group?

 

Are you now suggesting that 'atheism' is a philosophy or that 'atheism' has a philosophy?

 

You said that "atheism is a religion according to the dictates of the US Supreme court and for the purposes of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the US".

Now, does this mean atheism is a religion according to ANYTHING ELSE than the dictates of the US Supreme court or for ANY OTHER purpose than of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the US?

 

Can you not read what you have quoted me as having said? Is my language so complicated that you cannot make a determination based on the language used by me?

 

Fair enough. So we're back to the point that the vast majority of atheists in general terms don't pursue atheism "with zeal or conscientious devotion." and you've shown nothing fundamental about atheism which fits that definition. My position remain unchanged - atheists can be religious but atheism itself is not a religion.

I thought answering your questions might have led somewhere. Did I give the "wrong" answers?

 

Well, I am glad to see that you are willing to admit to the misrepresentation by saying "fair enough" to the evidence which I provided.

Now for the remainder of that paragraph of yours above, and in particular, the term you used to describe how 'atheists' "can be". That term is 'religious'.

"re·li·gious (r-ljs)
adj.
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.
n. pl. religious
A member of a monastic order, especially a nun or monk.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin religisus, from religi, religion; see religion.]
re·ligious·ly adv.
re·ligious·ness n.
Synonyms: religious, devout, pious
These adjectives mean having or showing a belief in and veneration for God or a divine power, especially as it is reflected in the practice of religion. Religious implies adherence to religion in both belief and practice: The cathedral at Chartres is an expression of the religious fervor of the Middle Ages.
Devout connotes ardent faith and sincere devotion: Devout Muslims observe Ramadan punctiliously.
Pious stresses dutiful, reverential discharge of religious duties: a pious woman who attends Mass every morning.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
religious [rɪˈlɪdʒəs]
adj
1. of, relating to, or concerned with religion
2.
a. pious; devout; godly
b. (as collective noun; preceded by the) the religious
3. appropriate to or in accordance with the principles of a religion
4. scrupulous, exact, or conscientious
5. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Christianity of or relating to a way of life dedicated to religion by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience, and defined by a monastic rule
n
(Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Christianity a member of an order or congregation living by such a rule; a monk, friar, or nun
religiously adv
religiousness n

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003"

"re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion."

Did you notice that same word used in each set of definitions above? Are you now going to suggest that all atheists are not 'conscientious' with regard to 'atheism'? If you are making such a suggestion, that is fine, as most Christians are not 'conscientious' with regard to Christianity. The abundance of or lack of conscientious behavior from the follower of either group (theists or atheists) does not in any way remove the group from the definition of 'religion'.

"wrong answers"? "wrong" is a subjective terminology. How is it possible for me to say that your answer is 'wrong' or 'right'. In like manner, who are you to say that my answers are either 'wrong' or 'right'?

 

Your answers can never be wrong or right, because they switch around to suit the circumstance as in the famous "freezing point" debacle where you tried to claim the opposite case in the same debate.

 

Wrong! I have always maintained that the freezing point of water, being based on an arbitrary set of numbers, is in itself arbitrary because of those arbitrary numbers. Nice try... by you lose the debate also, because you cannot comprehend simple language and the terms used in that language.

BTW: you, just like the other poster, cannot dictate to me what is 'right' or what is 'wrong'. You have no such authority.

 

Doesn't this last statement render everything above it in the post irrelevant to the discussion then?

For what it's worth, I don't think all atheists are conscientious regarding their atheism. Some atheists don't even know they're atheist or actively do anything about it.

I realise that we could have an issue with the of definition atheist here, we me referring to much a wider cohort than you, along the lines of the strong/weak atheist distinction.

Also, do you think there is a distinction between something being described as "religious" metaphorically rather than literally?

I was being sarcastic. I suspect you asked those questions expecting me to give certain answers which you would then use in your arguments against me and but I didn't give the ones you expected, hence "wrong".

I could be, ironically, wrong of course but I can only speculate since you've not explained the reason for the questions nor expanded on my answers.

 

Depending on individual perspective.

For what it is worth, your suggestive comment ("I don't think all atheists...") is not a very convincing way of proving anything about atheists.

We must start a new thread to address the issue of what you 'realize'.

Does the definition allude to any of the definitions for 'religious' being a 'metaphorical' example? No? Then I suppose the answer would properly be: No!

To suspect something is not the equivalent of KNOWING something. So, the remainder of your statement is irrelevant as it is not based on any real knowledge that you might have on that subject.

 

OK, you are trolling. Conversation over.

 

Nice opinion on your part. Since when is making a direct response to the comments of someone (in this case you) an act of 'trolling'?