an observation about the destruction of WTC 1, 2 & 7

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  1. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    I already gave you a quote on the weight of the floor assemblies outside the core. And there were only 84 standard floor assemblies. By LEVEL I am including the weight of the core and the perimeter and that is what supported the weight and it had to get stronger and therefore heavier down the towers.

    You just can't come up with anything to say besides BS making a big deal of what we already know. But the NIST has not provided data on the tons of steel and tons of concrete on every LEVEL.

    In 13 years!

    psik
     
  2. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No you haven't....you seem toknow a whole lot that you just assume..I said every FLOOR was like the next one,save the mechanical floors and the one for the television transmitter
     
  3. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    BTW: what ever happened to that transmitter?
    not even recognizable pieces of it seen in the rubble?
    what?
     
  4. Hannibal

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    The transmitter tower is in a museum. It fell when the towers fell, that's 'what ever happened'.
     
  5. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    The tower is in a museum, however, there was several tons of equipment that had to have been installed below that tower, to feed energy to it, and that is what I'm concerned about.
     
  6. Hannibal

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    I expect it fell, too. Gravity is relentless.

    How many tons? Do you have documentation of the transmitter equipment and what it looked like before it fell?
     
  7. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    'You asked that already....AND you've been answered
     
  8. genericBob

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    What "answer" .... more like it was discussed and
    no conclusion was reached because the "debunkers"
    could not find any remnant of the transmitter.
     
  9. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why is it so hard for you truthers to grasp that anything not paper or plastic was beaten into unrecognizable masses by tons of debris?
     
  10. genericBob

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    and the consistency of this destruction doesn't set off alarms with you?
    the fact that there were no doorknobs, not even any recognizable remnant of a desk, or...... Did you see the TOP GEAR tv show when the crew placed a pick-up truck on top of a building to be demolished and guess what .... the pickup truck was not only recognizable as a truck, it started up and ran. .... way cool, no? Things do not arbitrarily get beaten into fine dust in the course of a building demolition, and the ONLY reason why so much stuff was beaten into fine dust by the "collapse" events of 9/11/2001 was that an additional source of energy was present at the site.
     
  11. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Faulty analogy....let them put that truck over 1000 feet up and drop it in a collapse event and we'll see if it starts...you had many tons of steel,concrete,even the items inside the towers working to destroy everything
    besides,there's sites like this:http://amhistory.si.edu/september11/collection/record.asp?ID=42
     
  12. Hannibal

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    Exactly. That's another reason that we know this wasn't a demolition.
     
  13. Gamolon

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    What does it equal genericBob? You sound confident. Have some numbers?

    How about you figure out what the top 15% of the towers weighed, figure out how much of a force/load that descending 15% would generate, and then tell me how much force/load the first floor impacted could resist. Let's compare numbers.

    Don't forget to add in the huge elevator motors, huge electrical panels, etc. What about the hat truss?
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  14. genericBob

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    so any nit that deviates from what you consider to be a
    "standard" controlled demolition, thus proves that the
    events of 9/11/2001 were NOT controlled demolition
    because of that difference.
     
  15. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it were a demolition, there would be nothing standard about it. Ever talk to a demolitions company? Probably not.
     
  16. Hannibal

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    The evidence shows it wasn't a cd. You keep showing this to be true. All the nits add up to collapse, not cd.
     
  17. genericBob

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    Your interpretation of the evidence convinces you
    that it wasn't controlled demolition, however,
    as I see it, the destruction of WTC1,2 & 7
    could be no other way than CD.
     
  18. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    Well here it is again:

    There were 116 LEVELS and they all had FLOORS so 32 of them were not standard floors. No reason to use lightweight concrete for floors in the basements.

    psik
     
  19. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Only the mechanical floors had etra reenforcement, that's only 8 floors,

    When someone goes in a building and into an elevator,they don't push a button for a level,the DO however for a floor
     
  20. genericBob

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    You specify 8 floors that were specifically designated as mechanical floors and
    thus had special reinforcement of the deck, that leaves 24 floors or levels to account for that were unique in some way, that is not constructed exactly like a standard floor.
    this could be accounted for my simply having a deck left out and allowing a super high ceiling space, like maybe for the near ground level shops. There could also be super high ceiling in the restaurant at the top of WTC1. There was 47,000 tons of concrete used in the decks for the 84 floors that were the mundane floors and with all of that concrete, are there any documentary photos that show any remnant of a floor, that is actual chunks of concrete identifiable as part of a deck? did ALL of the concrete turn to dust? what?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Only 8 floors were different from the rest....
     
  22. genericBob

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    I'm not sure if there were 24 floors that had extra high ceiling space, however whatever the justification for the difference was, the bottom line for me is the fact that the tower would have inconsistencies in the structure, + inconsistencies in the mass of the stuff pressing down from above, and this would add up to a gross inconsistency of the "collapse" event, that is the distinct possibility that a major portion of the mass driving the "pile driver" would dump over one side or another and therefore stop the action leaving the tower damaged but not destroyed.
    Why did the NIST say " total collapse was inevitable after collapse initiation"?
    WHY should total collapse be considered the most likely scenario,
    when it really isn't, not even close.
     
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    You mean because it obviously was that it couldn't be? LOL
     
  24. genericBob

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    "total collapse was intevitable...... "
    however the NIST never gives any explanation as to WHY
    it should be considered inevitable...... whats up with that?

    Why do you think total collapse should be inevitable?
    what factors need to be over-come before total collapse is possible?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you think 91 million tons would do to something?
     

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