Just a comment on concealed carry. Most men wore a duster type coat back in the day. There guns where always concealed until they pulled there coat back. Same way I carry today. Just a thought.
What is the relevance? It was only after the civil war did the bill of rights get applied to all states and not simply the federal government. Prior to this states were free to do as they pleased with no regard to anything relating to federal law.
1) Under federal law, there was no prohibition on concealed carry 2) Under state constitutions there was a right to keep and bear Arms 3) Under the precedents set by state courts, several of them ruled that concealed carry WAS, in fact, permissible. While other states were not bound by those rulings, those rulings are persuasive authority in other states. Consequently, all of the founding fathers were dead and gone when the issue of concealed carry began to worm its way into our system. Kentucky was the first to outlaw concealed weapons in 1813. That ban was overturned on Second Amendment grounds as being unconstitutional - and THAT was when states began circumventing the Second Amendment. In Kentucky they banned concealed weapons AFTER it had been ruled that it was a violation of the Second Amendment. They did so in their State Constitution. Around that time, the whole process becomes convoluted. After the founding era was over, new courts would come along at the federal level and change the meaning of the law - the law never changed. And that is where I challenge the law. It's obvious to me. The founders could have outlawed concealed weapons. Under the laws we lived in PRIOR to the Declaration of Independence, concealed carry was illegal. Afterward it was not; it was not an issue during the debates; it was not an issue for the states until 1813. So, we keep coming back to original intent.
Personally, I prefer top keep a low profile and NOT unset the sheep thus I carry concealed. Blend in, go about my business and left the F alone.
I don't really care, there are lots of us old retired LEOs out there, I wear an old style P.D. wind breaker, and print like mad, uniformed LEOs don't bother me, however minorities seem to glare at me. I was getting out of a truck a while back and flashed a pair, an elderly lady and a younger woman that commented on My Glock 17, lookatdat ole white boy has a gun !!! Older woman; What did you expect ????
I no longer support Concealed Carry Permits/Licenses, it is nothing but a de facto registration. Our natural rights demand that we be able to defend ourselves and loved ones without the government's permission, wherever that may occur. I support almost unrestricted concealed carry with extreme punishments for any who commit crimes with guns...
I often carry a snub and use either a Remora that can be used as either an IWB, a pocket holster or ankle holster. Or I use an Alessi belt holster with a long polo or untuckit shirt. No one has ever noticed it to my knowledge and if you wear dark or back jeans and shirt it's practically invisible as well as very quick.
I just carry a holstered Glock 17, and two extra magazines in a pocket, I don't care if I print, and sufficient firepower is more important to me than concealment anyway, if I have to neutralize a target, is going to assume room temperature.
Last night I was messing around with the Motorhome, stocking some canned food and other stuff, two Blokes on bicycles stopped and asked whose Motorhome it was, I told them some story, one of them had a large sheath knife on his belt, I had My hand on My Glock in case there was a hostile move, those two were grade A Brigands, two White Men in their early 20's, if they had tried anything, you would have heard or read of it in the News.
Who, you got it going on. Get you some dreds and a doo rag, put your pants on backwards and you'd be selling crack within a week. All we need is a street name. How does Grand Master Who sound?
Here in the People's Republic of Illinois, we got Shall Issue CCW starting in January of 2014. How the Hell that happened in this Democrat heaven, I'll never really understand, but here we are. I was in the first wave to get one and it took me a while to get used to the weird feel of that weight on my hip. I'm a pretty big guy and I like to wear outty shirts, so concealing it is easy. I have not walked out the door for over a year without carrying and I am not aware that anyone other than my wife knows that I do. Frankly, I'm convinced that here in Illinois, if I carried open, I would leave a line of heart attacks wherever I went, so, around here, I believe that concealed is a good idea. And, in an unusual surge of common sense, the regulations specify "concealed or mostly concealed", so an accidental flash does not devolve to the level of an offense.
I read somewhere that one of the ways that police can tell the difference between a law-abiding citizen and a gangbanger is that the law-abiding citizen uses a holster.
Oh, I really know; I was just being funny. You have to understand that here in Illinois, our Democrats set the standard for idiocy. I would have expected them to burn down the courthouse before that case was heard. As an example: When the Dems were fighting the law, Garry McCarthy, the former police commissioner of Chicago got up on TV and said his officers would not be able to tell the difference between gangbangers and law-abiding citizens when those law-abiding citizens started pointing their guns at them. Ahh, he actually thought that law-abiding citizens who already owned guns, but did not, currently, go around pointing their guns at police officers will suddenly begin doing so just because they have that plastic card in their pocket??? If another questionable display of limited intellect, the usual suspects crowded around a sobbing black woman who tearfully told of how her son was gunned down on the steps of a church in Chicago a couple of years prior to this gathering. What was the thinking that tried to connect a gangbanger snuffing another black kid with a movement to give law-abiding citizens the right to carry a concealed firearm? The killing of black kids in Chicago is an epidemic that never has had any connections to joe-sixpack law-abiding citizens. These same people got up on TV and, literally, said that if concealed carry became law, there would be blood flowing in the streets. Really, they actually said that. To date, I have only heard of one permit holder defending himself against armed robbers and an Uber driver with a permit shooting at someone that had opened fire into a crowd. In other words, all is quiet - no problems.
Welcome to the show Reality Chuck ! I for one am very glad you are on the forum Brother ! A big welcome ! Tell us more about Chicago..... Very good reporting !
The "blood in the streets" argument began back in the 80's when Florida opened up on CCWs, and it's never ended. The only result is that violent crime has continued to go down, and the statistics of crimes committed by CCWs are in the thousandths of one percent. Some states have stopped keeping track of crimes by CCW because they're basically non-existent.
Thank you, DoctorWho; I appreciate the kind words I found a letter to the editor that I wrote back in 2013; it gives my original explanation of that church shooting and some research I did about the CCW situation in the rest of the country. ------------------------- Well, I just watched Governor Quinn on TV surrounded by the usual suspects announcing his latest effort to make life less safe for the citizens of Illinois by slapping an amendatory veto on the Concealed Carry bill. I swear; these people must spend their nights bleary-eyed looking for boogie-men in the shadows. First off, he wants language that limits the number of guns that a permit holder can carry at one time to one gun. I just looked at the bill and I could find no reference to the number of guns that can be carried which implies the allowed use of common sense. Oh, wait, now I see why theyre confused. Liberals must imagine that a permit holder dreams of clanking when they walk. Next, he wants a limit of only one magazine with no more than 10 rounds of ammo. Really, we cant carry 500-round belts for our assault weapons or crossed bandoliers of 30-round stick magazines? How about a standard magazine and any extras as determined by the person that has to lug them around? Liberals must think trained law-abiding citizens cant stop pulling the trigger until the gun overheats and John Wayne gives his blessing. Then he starts dragging out the typical Chicago thinking. He has this woman whose son was shot and killed back in 2006 in Gun Free Zone Murder Capitol Chicago. This poor dupe is against a law that does not exist as though it is the reason her son was killed. Everyone that spoke acted as though the storm sewers would clog with the blood and bodies that would result from the passage of this bill. In fact, given what has happened in other states, you may expect only around 2 percent of the population to get a permit. Of that 2 percent, you may expect less than 1 percent of them to commit felonies compared to a national average of 3.6 percent for the general population. A recent campaign by an anti-gun group happily lists murders and assaults committed by permit holders around the country. Of course they dont bother to give the statistics I just gave you. In Minnesota, the Star Tribune had an article with this statistic: One in seven (14.29 percent) Minnesotans has a DWI on their record, only one in 545 (0.184 percent) of the states permit holders got one after getting a permit. There is a frantic campaign at all levels in this country to render the Bill of Rights irrelevant and the attack on the second amendment is just the most visible part of it. The hard truth is that if you get your information from the usual mass media without going deeper and you vote Democrat then you are a low-information voter and an enabler of this assault. Careful what you wish for it might not be what you get. -------------------------- It was easy to find statistics about CCW because Illinois was the last state to have any kind of CCW permit. The Democratic opposition to it was frantic and comical. Since we got it, I have only heard of the two CCW incidents that I mentioned in my original post. You have to believe that if there was ever some incident where a CCW holder did something shaky with a firearm, it would be ALL over the liberal news. One of the provisions in our CCW rules is that any business can post one of those cute little pictures of a Beretta 92 or 84 with a red slash through it to inform CCW holders that their firearm is not welcome. I am pleased to say that the businesses in the town I live in west of Chicago have resisted the urge; only the proscribed schools, medical facilities, and government buildings have those signs. In my mind, those signs represent the highest level of wishful thinking that the liberal mind is capable of. In fact, that sign says that you trained, background checked, fingerprinted, photographed, and law-abiding citizens who are not the problem cannot bring your firearms here. However, you criminals that want to kill someone that works here . . . never mind. I would expect that you people out there in the real world have heard of the runaway slaughter going on in the Black community in Chicago. I have been following this closely and I will say that the root cause is Obama. When police interaction between white cops and black people became a national pastime, Obama jumped, feet first, down the throats of the white cops before actual facts became known; he created Black Lives Matter. The result is that cops are backing off the vigorous pursuit of their duties. The cops in Chicago know who the troublemakers are in the neighborhoods they patrol. If they could stop and frisk the usual suspects as they felt necessary, Chicago wouldn't be the murder capital of the country.
There was a great post some time back about the Court situation in Chicago, how prosecution is lax and sentences lenient, and offenders are soon released and back on the streets to continue to murder and Rob etc...
