Anti-Islam Rally Attracts 17,000 In Germany

Likewise the (failed) Crusades. You couldn't find a more bloodthirsty bunch raping, killing and plundering their way across the world-in Jesus' name, naturally. So that's ok...

 

You need some history lessons. Let's leave the Holy Roman empire out of this discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_policies_in_the_Roman_Empire

The Sunni radical Muslims declared the holy war on anyone who dares to think differently. It's not their numbers, it's their everyday actions. It's hatred they preach, it's terror they spread.

 

You are calling this war, but it is just a discussion about religion.

The Christian Roman Empire was just acting the way anyone of the seven political institutions always do.
Even our democracy killed the Rosenbergs for spying, and has done so from the start when disloyality is discovered.

The theocracy of Christianity did oppose rebels who were undermining its laws and rules, as does a dictator, a communistic oligarchy, or a pagan empire or king.

 

Yes.
The muslims have used religion as a means to invade other nations, like the Jews did when they practiced their patriarchy tenets too.

But patriarchies are like this.
China is a candidate for trouble too, as is N Korea, both without religion.

The West needs to recognoze that their harlots, welfare, and fatherless kids set the conditions which make invasion very tempting.

 

Hmmm,...
After the 1000 years of Christianity had passed, the church became very naughty indeed.
But the muslims had it coming by 1200 AD, since they were robbing the pilgrims and western people travelling to see Israel and Jerusalem.
The pope did want that to stop, and he was right, too.

 

You are proposing that because their numbers are growing we need to discuss how wrong they are, creating more fear and hatred. It's not much of a discussion. You won't convince them to join a hypocritical religion. The hypocrisy of Christianity is why your numbers are decreasing. It's one of the reasons I don't associate myself with the Christians anymore. Try doing one thing God asked you not to do. "Judge not least ye be judged"

 

It was actually your Christian leaders that declared this war against Islam. They are only doing what anyone else would do if someone was attacking their home.

 

I will not leave them out of this. Specially when Christians are condemning people again for their right to freedom of religion or their right to practice what ever religion they want. You need a history lesson.


Your link is for the Roman empire, not the "Holy Roman Empire" or the Catholic church. Why do I need a lesson again?

 

Nope. You cannot chose bits and pieces from history which suit your agenda. It doesn't work that way. It leads the discussion nowhere. But maybe that's what you wnat?

Anyway the topic is clear. Nothing to do with Christians. We're discussing temproary Europe and radicalisation of Sunni Muslims population. What happened in the past, happened it the past. Christians are not terrorisng Europeans. Christians are not beheading Europeans. Christians are not teaching hatred in their churches. As a matter of fact, Christians around the globe are persecuted more than Muslims. More than anyone else. But that's another topic.

Christians: The world's most persecuted people
The former Chief Rabbi is appalled at the lack of protest about the treatment of Christians round the globe, and so should we be

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...he-worlds-most-persecuted-people-9630774.html

 

People peacefully protesting against millions millions of immigrants are Nazis. Interesting...
I guess that they are nationalists.
Nazis are polish soccer fans and and the ukrainian government
even KKK are not nazis

 

started that way when Germany attacked the Jews too, lets hope history doesn't repeat

 

a massive number of immigrants kill a nation.
this is the evil seed planted by leftists.

forget about the mainstream media, the same thing happens in Hong Kong
when some local people call to the phone-in broadcast programs, and complaint about the immigrant issue, the hosts will soon cut the line. Many tv programs "teach" local people to get along with immigrants and to "teach" local people that discriminate is a sin

I glad to see the rise of Germans nativism. I hope it will become a strong tide soon

I see the chance that they can win, if they decide not to have many kids, then let the single kid becomes an elite. More chances to win when they act more radical, radical enough to make the government fear, and make the naughty immigrants fear.

they like the game of beheading? good, then play with them, that is those immigrants who don't admit who is the lord of the this land should be beheaded.

 

however, I do hope some native Germans can tell the truth, the outsiders can't really see the picture clearly, and I heard things are getting better...

 

Only 17000 ??

 

The problem is that this thread is not about radicalised Sunni Muslims. It is about a demonstration against all Muslims

 

God bless my somewhat misguided German brothers and sisters who went to the rally in protest against r-Muslim atrocities. It's about time common people are showing some cohesive support against a common evil. I too like snake would rather see the protest being about rMuslim and not Muslims in general but its a fertile field to save souls.


reva

 

Then I suggest that you argue why you think that point by point because what I was doing was replying to your own rhetoric.

and who are 'people like me'. If we take it from what has been discussed 'people like me' would be people who do not believe in doing to all our Muslims what ISIS does to Christians or deporting all of our Sunni Muslims killing them or not in the process.

For goodness sake. First this is a debate forum, the very object of which is to debate what you believe is right and hark at you the person who is blaming all Sunni Muslims for the actions of ISIS and wants to do to all our Sunni Muslims what they do to Christians. Only a person with no morality left would not think what you want to do is wrong.

Aaaah I am beginning to get you Silver Surfer. All you do is deal is in your own imagination and stereotypes. I would not need to have spent time abroad in order to give you the links to credible sources and intellectual arguments. I have spent considerable time a broad but that has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is also not about me.

No you don't but your position is unusual. You want to behead or terrorise out of the UK all of our Sunni Muslims. You are an anti muslim extremist. Now most anti muslim extremists love Israel. They go together. With you it is not so. You hate Israel so either this is because you hate Jews or possibly you are a Shiite Muslim who has an unusual hatred of Sunni Muslims and that is why you want to pretend they are all wahhabi jihaddists and want to behead or deport them out of Europe. You tell me where your all consuming hatred comes from because you are unusual. Pro Israelis hate Muslims and love Israelis - generally hate all Muslims. Neo Nazis hate Muslims because they see this as the first way to get to Jews and so for the moment they are both in it together. Of course it is possible you are neither part of the transatlantic anti islam extremist love Israel group or a neo nazi but if not it is their coat tails you are hanging onto.

No one can have suggested we treat our Muslims as ISIS treats Christians without some deep rooted hate. I am just wondering where it comes from.

Only that wasn't what you were doing was it. You were wanting all Sunni Muslims in the UK to either be treated the way ISIS treats Christians or to be deported. You are the bigot by extending the slur of Salafist/Wahhabi towards all Sunni Muslims - and just so we get this right even Salafi's are on the whole not dangerous people. Most of them spend their life trying to be more pure than anyone ever could be and do not get involved in politics never mind jihad. This country introduced them to Salafism and now you want them al killed or deported for that.

Now if you want to stand up to Salafist/Wahhabi bigots, you first have to introduce some who are those people. A person who lives on stereotypes does not to this they just claim they do this nebulous thing when all they do is present hatred towards all our Sunni Muslims or anyone else they present a label to. I have already shown you that not all Salafis are the same. Further I have provided you with a link which lets you know how they came into the UK, why people were attracted, how this developed in an ott way and how then other experienced Muslims went in and changed the situation - one of them at least with the same amount of distaste for Wahhabi as you have and in reality as I have. The difference being that we don't want to harm them. The other Muslims re-educated them.

see no ability to argue on issues. Just pathetic emotionalism. How many Salafist Wahhabis have been searching you down Silver Surfer. Do you need to look under the bed every night. It is clear you believe in killing them all 'just in case'.

Done none of this. I only came back into this because you mentioned the position of Saudi Arabia in this. I tire of the hate arguments. I hoped that possibly you were interested in some genuine argument but not you. You call me

so let's just see how much I have done this.

One I have pointed out to you that not all Sunni Muslims are Salafist/Wahabis/Takfiri followers

Two I have provided you with information as to how this was brought into the UK from outside and how it developed.

Three I have pointed out that being a Safafist does not mean one is a jihadist.

Four I have provided you with links to see how this did indeed come from our relationship with Saudi Arabia and the politics surrounding this in the region as well as our mistake in believing that Saudi Arabia was a 'moderate' country.

Five I have objected to your desire to behead our Sunni Muslims

Six I have objected to your desire for mass deportation of our Muslims.

Seven I have pointed out how our Home Secretary allowed into the country a man who was coming here only to get recruits for dying in Syria and that she did this despite our Muslims asking that he be banned

Eight I have provided you with a link which illustrates how the US wrong conception of Muslims has helped to create the situation we have now.

and all you have been able to provide is insults and desires to harm all Sunni Muslims.

I am beginning to feel sorry for you Silver Surfer. Someone who has reached the age when he calls himself Silver Surfer but has not yet reached the age when he can debate on any level but name calling which that basically is.

You have been showing a lot of hate towards me. I notice now you believe I am one of your most hated objects, a Muslim. I have made no apologies for hate preachers. Indeed I have shown how the people of Luton have on several occasions thrown out Chaudray and his gang. l have also mentioned how our Muslim population, which no darling I am not one of, are the very people who keep the police informed of suspect behaviour and that is why we have only had I think two instances (three, but one a copy cat which didn't work) and one of which the murder of Lee Rigby probably could have been prevented. I also told you that families have been coming forth en masse and telling the police if their children go off to Syria - although an over heavy sentence on two, to be an example, may make people think twice next time.

You surely do not think you can get away with pretending that people who do not agree with beheading/deporting our Muslims support Muslim terrorism. No we just want our children/grandchildren to have the possibility to live in a liberal democracy like we were fortunate enough to do. I have also aready pointed out in this thread how the anti muslim extremists have already started adding 'leftists' to those they hate. It is fast becoming 30's Germany but you are wrong in what you said earlier in that it has already become majority thinking in the UK/Europe. First for UK say England because in Scotland we have moved in a very different direction than UKIP. Political interest remains strong since the Referendum and we are not delusional puppets who can be bought to believe Muslims are the reason for all our woes. We didn't buy the black shirts here either - admittedly largely because the protestants believed they were catholic and we can continue with our old sectarian problems which are getting better. You will know Farage was chased out of Edinburgh, not by the SNP as he thought but by Radical Independence who believe we need independence but at the same time acting in an Internationalist way.

So where have I got to? No you do not as yet have all of England and all of Europe on board for the mass killing/deportation of Muslims. Hell they are only getting properly started in Germany. The Westminster government is moving in that way however thanks to the women who whenever I see her always has a dark shadow on her Theresa May. Our government has set in motion the ability to remove British Citizenship from anyone who she believes could be a danger to this country who holds Dual Citizenship. So far she has removed such citizenship going back three generations of British Citizens. She wants also to be able to remove the citizenship of people who only have British Citizenship which most of the time is against International Law. How she does this is wait till they leave the country and take it away and clearly if she also did this to people with only British Citizenship people would stop letting us into their countries...so for the time being they can only have their citizenship removed if we know another country will take them. It is though all set up for the mass deportation you want. Laws have been created which circumvent the law. There is no need to provide any reason why they have their citizenship removed and they are not allowed legal aid to appeal which they can only do when outside this country. The few who have managed to get the money to do this have found it to be impossible to defend because when the lawyers try to find out what they are supposed to have done, they are generally told they cannot be told as it would be against security. Obviously you cannot defend when you do not know what you are accused of doing. The law hence is circumvented.

I have already said the next 2-5 years will tell whether we move along towards fascism/nazism but no, Silver Surfer we are not there yet.


I will say again. The only reason I came back into this thread was because I wrongly thought in a line you made that you might be up to proper discussion. Clearly you have neither the desire nor ability....

 

I wrote that before you wrote your reply, some things in there I agree some I dont, but not having the time to answer all long posts is true in all cases. I give you more time to answer other posts. Merry Christmas !

 

I know that. However given that what was being spoken about was that post and you then came out with this

which would suggest you were talking about me is why I responded as I did and I still feel the same. I have not done what you accuse me of.

I think if you are going to be abusive towards people you should make out exactly who you are being abusive about and what evidence you have for your abuse. This one deserved the reply I gave.

I do intend on answering another post of yours written before Christmas but it needs me to hunt here and there for information so I will do it when I am less busy...unless I can't be bothered.

 

You were not the only one that justified anti-sematism on Israel actions in that thread (later you corrected) and I know where that new poster stands, so yes I continued the same line.

And Im no more abusive toward ppl than they are to me, I dont recall calling your freinds and family members murderers, Genociders, outlaws etc' etc'. things you do nearly every day on Israelis - yea I'm Israeli, nice to meet you.

 

I think as long as Muslim's do not speak out against the Islamic terrorists and ISIS and condemn them as rogues the numbers will grow and the protests will spread. By keeping quiet a lot of people are taking that silence as condoning terrorists acts.

 

I did not justify antisemitism. You were too quick to see it where it was not. Your mistake whether deliberate or not.

if I say that I'd provide proof. You did not tell me the people who were committing war crimes in Gaza were your friends and family. I guess that is why you supported them. This of course is off topic.

 

Jeeze Alexa, what a long, long, real long reply! I thought I was the only member that was that wordy. When a member takes the time and effort to write a detailed response far removed by the typical sound byte fare of most PF replies I read it. I did take issue with some blanket statement general comments you made such as these;

“Pro Israelis hate Muslims and love Israelis - generally hate all Muslims.”

Most educated Christians read that as most Christians*, DO NOT hate moderate non-radicalized Muslims.

Silver Surfer said;

“Do you approve of beheadings?”

You Alex replied;

“I am beginning to feel sorry for you Silver Surfer. Someone who has reached the age when he calls himself Silver Surfer but has not yet reached the age when he can debate on any level but name calling which that basically is.”

I have to disagree. I know what you are saying i.e. that kind of claim seems to be name calling. Its the intent to insult that you are referencing. As a Zionist Christian reverend I get stuff that posted here and said in public that makes your concerns pale in comparison !!! Lol.


Notes;

* Poll Finds Tea Party and More Educated Wealthier ...
swww.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html
Apr 14, 2010 · Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public and tend to be Republican.


reva





Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful.

 

I think you did, you later changed that to anti-Israeli, wether hating 14 Million ppl is wrong but hating just 6~ Million is right is another topic.

My friends were in Gaza this last OP - does it mean they are "war criminals" ? I was supposed to be there to so would that make me one too ?
And that's just refers to Gaza OP,

Never read you made a diffrence between Right-Left Israelis, soldiers and decision makers and so on, I remember mainly "Israelis" and "Israel", but I will pay more attention to it now on, ill ask you for precise meaning should you use the general "Israelis" again.

 

I think you should go to the thread you are talking about. I am well aware what antisemitism is and oppose it. At the moment you are just making things up so go there or I report you.

I made clear to you several times in that discussion that I was not saying all units were committing war crimes. You want on ignore Gilos? Quit making things up and quite bringing to threads things which should not be there. I am getting near to reporting you.

what do you mean by OP? Operation Protective Edge. This is all off topic. Either take it to the correct thread or prepare to be reported.

In the discussion I think you are referring to I said on more than one occasion that I was not saying this related to all units, more to those who had messianic/nat religious leaders about 43-46%. I am well aware that not all Israeli soldiers are like that. Hell they were the main people reporting the war crimes after Cast Lead.

Now stop making things up and stop bringing things into a thread which do not belong there. Go if you want to the other thread and reply there.

I will report one more off topic post. Last warning.