Anti-mask protests

~ The public should not be forced to wear masks - but should be encouraged to wear an FDA approved respirator and eye protection if they are immune compromised , elderly or fear getting infected. Hand sanitizer is good and should be encouraged and provided in public places. Keeping a distance when practical should be a choice - not a mandate .
Dr Fauci told us the truth in the beginning , then flip-flopped to conform with politics. [ see video posted ] He should have stood his ground and stayed with the facts. He lost his standing as a scientist and gained status as just another political hack.
A virus is what it is. We cannot do much once it has been introduced except stop incoming travel and/or quarentein. This is obvious from failed efforts around the world to halt the spread.
It's time to be honest and stop dumbing down the ignorant. It is not ethical and not moral when dealing with people's health and mental well-being. It's okay to say "We don't know . We are guessing".

 

Well, YOU were the one who said this:
"~ It means if people in healthcare can't protect themselves property expecting the average person to do so is useless ."

 

Lay people wearing respirators with no professional fit/seal, not the best of ideas. They are also difficult to use for hours.
It's best for lay people to wear high quality surgical masks (ASTM level 3) with the seal enhanced by three interlaced rubber bands.
As for "we don't know, we are guessing", speak for yourself. Science is not a guess.

Read here, what happens when a government and people follow science:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/suddenly-drowning-people-argentinians-flock-090041870.html

 

I have rarely read such a bunch of baloney. This guy knows absolutely NOTHING about masks. By the way, surgeons are NOTORIOUS for having very little scientific expertise. Often they aren't very studious. They are the manual skills kind of doctors. There are numerous studies showing reduction of relative risk and odds ratio in terms of contracting viruses such as the SARS-CoV-2, the SARS-1, and the MERS both with respirators and with surgical masks, and there are numerous studies showing filtration of above 98% of particulates of 0.1 micron with certain kinds of masks, so what he is saying about viruses is full and complete BS.

This surgeon probably scored very low in the Virology part of his basic studies. Oh, he's a former editor of a medical journal? Most likely a journal on surgical techniques with NOTHING to do with Virology and Epidemiology. Gee! No, I misspoke. Not most likely. Most certainly, because it would be unheard of, that a surgeon would lead a Virology or an Epidemiology journal. Stay on your lane, Dr. Meehan, and stop uttering insanities.

This imbecile thinks that Fauci, the WHO, the CDC etc told the deliberate lie that masks don't help the wearer, because of lack of efficacy, ignoring that they did so only to protect the stockpile and reserve it for health workers. Also, the advice was ridiculous: "masks don't protect the wearer except if a person is taking care of a relative with Covid-19." This is weird, huh? So, when the situation is REALLY dangerous masks work, but then they suddenly stop working when it's less dangerous, huh? It's like saying that brakes don't stop a car going 3 miles per hour but they do stop a car going 90 miles per hour. Yeah, right. That alone betrays the intention of the CDC/WHO/Fauci advice. They knew that masks work to protect the wearer, but they didn't want the public to know to avoid a run to masks that would deplete the stocks (Fauci actually confessed to this, in an interview on TV), but they didn't have the balls to push it as far as exposing people with relatives with Covid-19 so they did mention the exception to their lie.

So, when you have in a Pulmonary Medicine Critical Care ICU full of COVID-19 patients already infected with TRILLIONS of copies of the virus, why in the hell does the good Dr. Sheeham think that ALL doctors and nurses working there very carefully don masks? To prevent an opportunity to infect the patients, like this mouthbreather thinks, in an analogy with his surgical field??? No, idiot! It's to prevent catching the virus themselves!!! If we worked in this environment without masks, 100% of us would catch the virus. Gee!

Sure, a sick surgeon shouldn't perform, but it's not because masks are useless, it's because the masks can't catch 100% of viruses, so, do no harm. But from this to think that they don't reduce transmission, it's only in the twisted mind of this dunce. Probably he is spouting these inanities out of ideology. I wonder who he votes for.

Sometimes I'm ashamed of my colleagues... One can tell what kind of narcissistic idiot he is, because he starts his piece by tooting his own horn, which is definitely not the hallmark of knowledgeable and sober people.

Oh, and buy the way, general surgeon... that's telling. That's the least specialized and generally the least knowledgeable kind of surgeon. Just the basic training in general surgery, with no sub-specialty.

Do you know what we call the guy who graduated last in his class from the worst medical school in America? Doctor...

I wouldn't be surprised if the class ranking and the medical school for this complete idiot matched the above joke.

Now, about the public not knowing how to wear masks, I agree. But this is solved with an educational campaign, not with a nincompoop like this Dr. Meehan spouting nonsense.

 

~ More "stuff" about the mask fiasco :

~ Of course not - but we do ! We are all "experts" on the internet.

No thanks. I do enough reading . I'm done with the Co2 catastrophe as well. Wait until the next ' China surprise ' and we can all read about that .

 

@James California

About the good Dr. Meehan: the guy is interested in self-promotion.

https://www.meehanmd.com/

Look at what he says of himself, as if someone else was saying it:

"Jim Meehan MD is a physician, accomplished leader, and entrepreneur who provides innovative science and solutions that adhere to open, honest, transparent, and uncompromisingly patient-centered principles. He transforms raw data and scientific research into easy to understand information that educates, informs, and motivates changes in behavior to lead to improved health and wellness."

He calls himself a "Truth Seeker." In capital letters. LOL

What an idiot.

Oh, and I just found that he is a freaking anti-vaxxer, who believes in the link between autism and vaccines. He was actually sued by a pediatrician, for the harm he was doing spouting nonsense about vaccines.

Dismissed. This shows what kind of "doctor" this idiot is.

 

Speak for yourself, sarcastically. Not *my* case. *I* do know what I'm saying, and my credentials in real life, not the Internet, are way above those of this imbecile you've quoted (I looked him up).

How convenient. You want people to read what you quote, including, you reproduce numerous paragraphs, but you won't read what other people quote, huh? Congratulations on your intellectual integrity.

Oh, and see above. You quoted a freaking self-promoting anti-vaxxer.

 

~ He is only one if many who share the same views about the effectiveness of surgical masks - including Dr Fauci . If he is indeed an idiot what does that say about our government "experts" ? Masks are being used the world over yet the virus spreads.
I am glad you looked things up. It gives another point of view.

 

I couldn't care less for the *opinions* of these people. That's not what the studies say. This guy is a full-blown idiot. Be careful about the sources you quote.
Now, aren't you aware that Dr. Fauci has CONFESSED in all words that he lied about the lack of efficacy of masks? He said in all words in a TV interview that masks do work but he pretended otherwise because he was afraid of a run to masks, making them unavailable to healthcare workers who needed them (ahem, because... they don't work? LOL). Look it up. He is on tape saying that he lied, so stop quoting him as if his lie proves that masks don't work. Look rather at the science I've extensively posted.

If you're one of those people who won't acknowledge the evidence and will stick to something like "Fauci said they don't work" then we're done here and I won't continue to debate this point with you. You won't get to my Ignore list... you are civil and I like some of our other opinions. But on this, you're wrong, sorry.

 

Sure, I never pretended that masks are 100% effective. But if you look at countries that are very disciplined in wearing masks, like Japan and Uruguay, the contagion is under better control there. Your argument of "yet the virus spread" ignores that most likely it would be spreading MORE if nobody wore masks.

 

and dollars for donuts they contracted corona in public, not within the hospital AND..............all will feel fine within days

 

This type of attitude we're seeing is proof positive that the GOP is not pro-life. It's such a blatant disregard for human life.

 

what do my comments have to do with the GOP? Or, have you not heard of folks who despise both sides of the aisle as they are both corrupt?

 

then I suggest that you never go out during cold and flu season either as those with comorbidities that you named are also vulnerable to the common cold and the seasonal flu

good grief man, stop the theatrics

the hospital is now short staffed for a short duration. Time to suck it up and pull in "travelers' or work OT as well as redirect patients to other centers

A short-staffed hospital for a small cycle of time is nothing new

 

You never struck me as someone in the middle. Never mind, then.

 

what exactly is the middle? Maybe someday the majority will come to realize that it's actually us (electorate) and them (politicians and taxpayer funded employees)

Consider just how little was done when it was full Democrat control with Obama or when it was full GOP control with Trump

curious how the house conveniently flipped both times, wasn't it?

 

I call the middle anyone who doesn't need the team's talking points memo to decide on an issue. Non partisans, IOW.

I am so sick of the partisans. They really believe all team "other," are evil, anti-American people. They need to wake up and realize exactly that - it's the non-elected citizens versus the corrupt elected creatures who roam Congress.

 

People will stop dying on Nov 4? That's GREAT news.

 

I know, right? I'm not sure why they are even still working on a vaccine. The entire world will be free of the virus on 11/4.

 

you completely avoided your own concern about a TEMPORARILY short-staffed hospital

 

If you wish to make yourself part of the flock of blind sheep, go ahead.

 

also don't forget the taxpayer-funded employees who are there regardless of what party is in power. Do you think they want 1 single budget cut?

The media does a good job of whipping up the people and as you said, pitting electorate against each other