Antigun groups once again display ignorance

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  1. REALITY CHUCK

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    Congratulations! Your post is a fine display of ignorance.

    What is this silencing device that you make sound like it is peculiar to muzzleloaders? Did I miss something or are you just delusional?

    Did you ever see a program that was on TV for a short time that showed people actually making muzzleloading rifles from scratch in their home blacksmith shops? The technology of muzzleloading, black powder firearms is so low that blacksmithing hobbyists can make them - even the black powder. Fifty caliber and bigger muzzleloaders were common because black powder is very low pressure compared to modern smokeless powder and resulted in low velocity slugs and limited range and accuracy. To compensate, they had long barrels firing big slugs.

    If I had a choice for my killing spree, I would pick a crossbow. It's range would be less, but it would be just as accurate, faster to reload, more compact, and dead silent. Sure, you can kill someone with a muzzleloader, but I could do more and faster damage with a hammer. Quieter too.
     
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    A. It is not a "silencing device" nor has anyone claimed that. It is a suppressor. The point of this supposedly "evil liberals" don't kno the facts about guns. That is apparently your problem

    B.It is "peculiar to muzzle loaders" because unlike other guns...since it is on an unregulated gun (available to convicted felons) it is not subject to the regs that cover other guns.
     
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    That idiot put on one of the most incredible displays of ignorance I have ever been subjected to. I like Tucker's show and I have noticed that the Libs he has on have yet to realize how obvious they are when they avoid answering a simple question or how ignorant they sound when they do. This guy just arrived on Earth and has heard the word "firearm" once or twice. Bingo! He's an expert. Muzzleloaders were made by blacksmiths and still are today. At best, an accomplished rifleman can load and fire three rounds per minute with limited range and accuracy with a low velocity slug and he has to stand up to reload. Not a very sneaky or effective weapon by today's standards.
     
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    Please, please, never post a video with Lawrence O'Donnell followed by a politician that knows absolutely nothing about any firearm. I watched 2 minutes before I wanted to crawl out of my skin and strangle that idiot with his own shoelaces.
     
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    Bows, swords, knives, hammers, rocks, ropes, broken bottles, cars, trucks, torches, knitting needles, and a million more things capable of injury or death are available to felons without restriction. Some of them are more effective and useful for murder than a muzzleloader. How low do you want to set the bar?
     
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    That's just it; the 'commonsense' nonsense leftists are always talking about is nothing more than leftwing bumper sticker political philosophy...
     
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    Of course it's a toy; this is why I'm mocking the liberal/progressive/socialist who is carrying on about it.
     
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    Right!!, I've mentioned that fact before. All "Guns" including wheel lock guns were the assault weapons of their time. According to some it's the caliber of the weapon that comes to mind. a .50 caliber projectile with a 90/100 grain load of black powder or Pyrodex steps out at the top velocity of 1,900 ft/sec. However, most non-intelligent anti-gunner equate the .50 cal muzzle loaded rifle with the Ma Deuce cartridge. Their dumb fear is astounding.
     
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    None of those are used to hunt deer. A muzzle loader is a common gun in deer hunting. In fact I know several people who take at least one deer a year with a muzzle loader. They are deadly up to 100 yards ...and depending on the model...further out
     
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    Bows?




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    I stand corrected. Bows are deer weapons at 30-50 yard range. I was distracted by the "broken glass" idiocy
     
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    I kind of disagree. They have a good description of assault rifles. One that Sen. Feinstein stole from Red Skelton: "It just don't look right to me!"
     
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    And rightists assiduously avoid making alternative common sense suggestions
    My surmise is something that rightists refuse to directly enunciate:
    Rightist assert that all gun regulations necessarily conflict with common sense
    So, the only “common sense” approach is to attack all proposed regulations and evicerate all existing regulations
     
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    I believe the interest here was in criminal activity.
     
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    You cannot have a meaningful discussion about gun control if you have no meaningful knowledge about guns.
    Its really that simple.
     
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    The issue is black powder firearms, not just muzzle-loaders. Under the law, these are not firearms, for obvious reasons.
    No more now than any time in the last 50 years.
    Less so than the average 44 magnum revolver or 12 gauge shotgun.
    Unsupportable nonsense. Whoever told you this, lied.
     
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    Aside from the rule 2/3 violation here... you know your statement is false.
     
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    No more now than any other time in the last 50 years.
     
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    No... its about the inanity of the anti-gun left, thinking there's some new crisis with regard to the 50-yr old laws covering black-powder firearms.
     
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    This is, of course, false.
     
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    The fact you believe black powder firearms have some sort of internal suppressor only proves the point about the anti-gun left not knowing the facts about firearms.
     
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    What a preposterous statement. You certainly ought to "know about something" if you are a lawmaker and your objective is to regulate that something.

    We have this clown in CA who thinks an AR can fire 800 r/m... he has ZERO credibility when it comes to firearms yet he feels he has the imprimatur to regulate them.

     
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    NO Margot He is stating plainly that if you don't know a damn thing about a given subject you probably ought to keep your mouth shut rather play the complete. ignoramus. That's the problem with most anti gunners there is no logic no understanding merely feelings and mostly fear at that. That's an extraordinarily poor basis upon which to base any sort of policy.
     
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    I have asked gun rights advocates Or commonsense suggestions. I have gotten nothing
     

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