Antivaxers, have the courage of your convictions.

there is no data available of people vaccinated or unvaccinated that catch Covid and are not hospitalized... so your facts are skewed. Covid affects everyone differently...

And there is some problem with how they keep track of people dying with Covid or from Covid

 

I answered no to most of your questions, except that I knowingly joined the US Military and took whatever vaxxes they required. However, that was by my own informed decision and consent. I've spent months in a non-profit hospital, cumulatively about 2 years since about 2015, had a surgery that went bad, lost the ability to walk, bathe, or even clothe myself. During that time, I had multiple blood transfusions, though without actually going through the records I can only say it was at LEAST 5. However, that was done with my wife's consent, with which she was empowered by me to grant because I was in a mostly catatonic state.

At no time has an employer ever asked me to get a vaccine, and in almost all certainty I never would. I don't have kids, but if I did I would give them whatever vaccines I decided was necessary, and if a public school asked me to do more, I would have sent them to private school rather than just doing so.

As for the real topic here, based on my own volition, I am vaxxed and boosted. I made that decision based on information that is available to me that probably shouldn't be courtesy of someone I know. The information is not top secret, but I have it without it being filtered by the media so I don't have to trust them to know it's true. NOW, having said that, I do not think the government has the authority to tell me I must get a vaccine, wear a mask, or show my papers everywhere I go like the good old days of the USSR... Ваши бумаги, пожалуйста, товарищ.

 

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Sort of, which is why I'm pleading with unvaccinated people to stay home on their own. Medical people are in the profession because they WANT to help others, not to hurt or neglect them. They can no more let a deathly sick person go die without help than most of us could kill them for no reason to begin with. Thats inexplicable to people like myself which is why I often discount it as a motivation

 

Then stop acting like one. Under the Constitution, the Federal Gov't does not have the authority to mandate vaccines, masks, or "covid passports" onto private citizens. Refer to my post above, I'm vaxxed voluntarily, but I would never do so just because Uncle told me to.

Today's leftists: Ваши бумаги, пожалуйста, товарищ.

 

Dodge

 

So eating fatty foods is a habit. LMFAO

 

It's being a Nazi to say you shouldn't be allowed to **** in the street then go take up a hospital bed my small child needs for his leukemia to treat your cholera? Sieg Heil.

The Preamble to the Constitution gives it pretty broad powers to do all the things a government should. The Enumerated Powers were put in as a bare MINIMUM of what should be expected of government. There is nothing that says they are exclusive.

 

Not a dodge. This thread is about people taking personal responsibility for their conscious decision not only to affect their own health, but to endanger their fellow citizens.
If they want to exercise that right, they should accept the full consequences. Don’t go to hospital for treatment. If they do get treatment, pay out of their own pocket and don’t ask their insurance company to pay.
If someone wants to make a stupid decision, they should have the courage to stand by their decision. But they won’t.

 

How is it illegal to pay for something out of your own pocket instead of putting in a claim to the insurance company?

 

Is Aaron Rodgers becoming the anti-Colin Kaepernick:

 

You wrote:



I didn't say that it was illegal to pay for medical expenses out-of-pocket. Whatever happened between me hitting "post" and your response ALL happened on your end.

It is illegal to discriminate people seeking treatment in an Emergency Department of a hospital regardless of why they are there, how they arrived at <whatever medical emergency they present with> or if they did something dumb as hell to cause it, which can be an action or inaction (not getting the vaccine and/or boosters).

Secondly, I'm not sure how much you know about the average American citizen and financial responsibility but your comment seems to suggest the answer is not much. Most people *live* on borrowed money (ie. mortgage, 401K, credit cards, etc.). so if you think your neighbor has a few hundred thousand dollars under his mattress, you're most likely mistaken.



A map and full list is at: https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...ge-for-covid-19-hospitalization-by-state.html



Further, insurance (any kind) is paid to protect the OTHER side. The rates are based on actuarial studies (what I studied in college) and those costs are paid by those of us that carry insurance. There are many variables involved, but the bottom line is the middle class is basically floating everybody else.

Also, there are many reasons a person may not be vaccinated and all of it doesn't fall under "stupidity". In early-mid 2020 we were all told that COVID was more dangerous for older people and, statistically, the longer a person is alive also correlates to other health conditions. Some of them could have co-morbidities as well which most likely will make a hospital admission longer and possibly include being in an ICU (intensive care unit).

I hope that you never have to be taken to a hospital in an emergency but I feel confident that, if by chance you do, there won't be anybody standing at the entrance asking you what dumbass thing you did to get there or expecting you to have over stacks of cash before getting you the help you may need.

 

You misunderstood me. I was talking about personal responsibility.
I do think it would be great if the government would pass legislation requiring unvaccinated Covid sufferers to pay for their own medical care out of their own pocket, like Singapore does.
But I recognize that isn’t going to happen.

So they should accept the full consequences of their irresponsible choice and choose to pay themselves, without relying on insurance. Put their money where their mouth is.

 

My apologies. Thanks for clarifying.

I haven't heard that. I will make a note to look into that.

I agree with that. Americans are very irresponsible and are very litigious.

Well, there is a snag there. If they were responsible, and good at assessing risks, they probably would be vaccinated.

 

LMAOTYSSC

 

Gibberish. Although MJ understood it,

 

Nonsense! You and I and we Americans pay for stupid people doing stupid things to their body everyday.. If the Government would have been straight with people on what the Vaccines could and wouldn't do things may have gone better.. After all the bullshit science promised it would accomplish the only real staple is that it will reduce death to some degree..

It never achieved herd immunity, never stopped spread, never stopped contagion. To many inconsistencies, to many obvious manipulations of fact and ignored data points that frankly were designed for the reactionary people that do stupid things when frightened!

The one thing it did extremely well was make a record number of people very rich, and that include our caring representatives that care "OH so much for us little people"

 

Wrong. The enumerated powers are the MAXIMUM of what the Federal (and to a degree, the States) are allowed to do. If the Constitution doesn't grant the government to do XYZ, for example, to ban booze (or other "controlled" substances for that matter, then they must pass an Amendment that grants that power until they can act upon it. I'll concede this has been widely ignored and abused, but a simple reading of the document itself makes that clear. Therefore, the President of the United States lacks the authority to order me to wear a mask because that authority was never granted to him or her in the Constitution. If I work for the government, either as a civilian or a member of the Armed Forces, that changes things, but I left the Army a long time ago and am now just Joe Blow Citizen who owes no fealty to POTUS. Respect, sure, but I respect the Office whether or not I respect the person who holds it. And even that cannot be commanded, it's just the right thing to do.

 

Where? Where does the Constitution make if clear that the enumerated powers are exclusive? Please quote the passage, thank you.

 

Well, that's just f-ing stupid, but I suppose I'm not surprised. What is the point of having enumerated powers if the reality is that they government can do whatever the hell it wants to? Why do you think Roe and Obgerfell were decided the way they were? Not to mention the hundreds of other decisions that conclude the government is not empowered to do something or other, like force all companies with 100 or more employees to mandate all employees get vaccinated. It's as dumb as those who think the Bill of Rights (which was NEVER meant to be all inclusive) don't apply to the States. What good is making a Search Warrant required for most searches of it only applies to the Feds, and the States can search anyone, anywhere, for any reason, or for no reason at all.

In fact, almost the entire point of the Constitution in the first place was to outline what the government was empowered to do, and if it isn't on that list, they can't do it! That is why when they wanted to ban booze they knew they had to amend it. Sometime between then and now they have essentially been ignoring that fact which is why I, for one, am glad we have more textualists on the Supreme Court now, hopefully they'll put a stop to at least some of the nonsense that's been passed into "law" (that are actually null and void, but for the fact that a Court has yet to be asked to weigh in on their Constitutionality) by governments of all levels.

There's a part of me that wants to say this is something so obvious that even YOU know it, but it seems somehow I'm wrong about that. Which would, to a very large degree, explain your outlook on politics. To you, and people who think like you, government is all powerful and can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, POSSIBLY with the exception of those items listed in the BoR. But that is not real life, which is why the recent decision about Biden trying to flex his muscles and exercise authority over businesses he simply does not have likely disturbed you very much.

 

Weird how the folks the quickest to call others Nazi's are the most uninformed here. Many are PRO-Vax and ANTI-Mandate.

Spain’s First Study on Omicron Finds Vaccinated People Spread COVID at Same Rate as Unvaccinated.

You can catch it as easily from the vaxxed as the unvaxxed. What being vaxxed gives, hopefully, is greater odds of a less serious case, so, if your choice is vaxxed, get vaxxed.

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.​

10th Amendment