ANY American who wants us back in Iraq should shut up and enlist, period !

...and while they're at it, ante up another TRILLION bucks to add to the bill of the 2 trillion already sacrificed...that's all BEFORE three generations of veteran's benefits gets added in.

 

Bill O'Reilly last night on Fox. He is saying what I have been saying for a week now. Deleted his talk on another subject.

"Meantime in Iraq the atrocities mount. The al Qaeda army ISIS which has attacked Northern Iraq is posting gruesome videos of the mass executions they are committing.

Last night we called upon President Obama to begin bombing the al Qaeda army. Today we see pictures of captured American armaments heading towards Syria -- the al Qaeda army taking them to that battlefield. Those arms were abandoned by the Iraqi army which is in disarray. Why on earth are those caravans not being bombed by U.S. planes? It's flat desert out there.

The al Qaeda army should have been punished from the air a long time ago. These savages are totally out of control. Yet, all President Obama has done thus far is order about 275 military people to protect American assets in Baghdad.

Now, no credible person wants to send mass U.S. troops into Iraq again. That would be foolish because Americans are not going to solve the sectarian violence that plagues that country. In fact, I don't think anyone will ever solve that century's old problem. But certainly, certainly using air power to diminish the terror army is feasible and necessary.

Joining us now from Washington to comment on the situation, fox news political analyst Charles Krauthammer. And you say?

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: I say that's right. I mean what we essentially have to do is Obama has to produce overnight a mini version of what he declined to do in 2011 which is to leave behind a small residual force that could A, gather intelligence; B, help to direct planning on tactics; and C, carry out air support. Those are the three things we need to do. Those are the three things we would have been in a position to do for the last three years.

We weren't and we can see the consequences. The liquidation of all the gains that we made very high cost in the surge. So what we have to do is now is quickly -- the most important thing here is Bill is that they need intelligence. Yes, they're an open country but they've got to know where, they've got to know what speed they're going, they've got to know when they left -- they have to know what is on those transports.

General Jack Keane who was one of the architects of the surge reminds that we used to have tremendous intel in Baghdad. We got all the regional and local intelligence which he would hand over to the Iraqis. When we left in 2011 that screen went blank. We have to reactivate the screen, have spotters on the ground and then use air power.

O'REILLY: All right. But we also have access to the Kurds as you know up in the northwestern part of the country. We have access there. We have assets there. But look Charles, we have drones, we have everything -- what this ISIS army, this al Qaeda army has done that Americans I don't think understand is that they have swallowed up a huge amount of territory. They control, all right? Some of it is inside Syria, some of it is now inside Iraq. But it's all flat desert.

And they know, the U.S. knows where they are going. You don't transport big armaments like that without people knowing about it yet President Obama -- and this may be an unfair word. I want to know if it's unfair -- is dithering. Is that unfair?

KRAUTHAMMER: Well, he has dithered since the day he got in office. It took him a year to decide on the surge in Afghanistan -- went yes and no and maybe. In between that he announces a surge in the same sentence he announces a withdrawal. He is unsure. He has been uncertain from the beginning. But he is he arrogant enough not to listen to advice.

And here he is. He goes off and plays golf or who knows what he was doing at a time when Iraq is in maximum peril. Let me just say a couple of things. The Kurds are of no use to us. They have captured Kirkuk, they have their own state. They have been longing for that for 100 years since the Versailles Conference and they have it in reach. They are not going to want to get involved in this war. And I can I understand that entirely.

The second thing is drones are useless. A drone is terrific if you want to take out a single terrorist in a coffee shop somewhere in northern Pakistan. But here you need heavy air power to knock out these convoys and to hit these staging areas which we can do.

One other thing, which General Keane recommends, we cannot honor the border between Iraq and Syria. It no longer exists in the real world.

O'REILLY: That's right. Absolutely.

KRAUTHAMMER: We have to go into Syria to attack ISIS or all of this is useless. They are going to have their safe havens.

O'REILLY: Ok. Now, if Krauthammer understands this, because this is one of the few times where you and I agree, I should say, agree 100 percent down the line. Krauthammer and O'Reilly agree after studying the terrain and the -- understanding the urgency of the situation.

KRAUTHAMMER: I know, you were up all night looking at the maps.

O'REILLY: Well, look, I know that part of the country. I have been there. But this is --

KRAUTHAMMER: I was just kidding.

O'REILLY: This wasn't even hard because you have to send a message to these people who are now beheading people, setting them on fire and putting it on the Internet -- ho, ho, ho. We are going to do whatever we want to do. We don't care about America. We think America is impotent and I believe they do, Charles. I believe these people feel that we are a paper tiger. I believe they saw what happened in Crimea. The Internet floats this stuff around the world at lightning speed. They are saying, you know what -- we can do whatever we want. These people aren't going to hurt us. And we, both you and I predicted once this started, once the perception of weakness started, that the United States is not going to right wrongs any longer, that the bad guys would run wild and that's exactly what's happening.

KRAUTHAMMER: Look, it's not hard to predict when a great power like ours creates a vacuum by telling the world as Obama did we are getting out. The tide of war is retreating. The tide of war is not retreating. America is receding. That's what's happened. So of course the bad guys, meaning Iran and ISIS had come in here. This was utterly predictable that they can see, as you say, we did nothing in Ukraine.

The Pacific Rim allies are scared to death. China is claiming all kinds of territory. We are doing nothing. Dithering is exactly the right word of a president who doesn't know what to do and who wants, whose instincts are -- he thinks if we stay out the world will leave us alone. That's the fundamental error.

World stability hinges on American deterrence and power and he never understood that and now we are suffering the consequences.

O'REILLY: All right. Charles Krauthammer.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2014/06/18/war-terror-heating-fast

 

Ive never understood this sort of self serving ideology driven logic. It can be applied to demonize ones opponent on virtually ANY issue.

"Any American that thinks we need to raise taxes on anyone should shut up and write a bigger check to the government, period!"
" Any American that thinks the government should limit carbon emissions should shut up and get off the grid,period!"
"Any American that thinks guns should be outlawed should shut up and move their family into the ghetto without any protection, period!"
" Any American that thinks healthcare should be a right should shut up and go buy an insurance policy for someone less fortunate, period!"
" Any American that thinks we should have amnesty should shut up and give their job to a migrant, period!
" Any American that thinks we shouldnt build the keystone pipeline should shut up and get rid of their car, period!"
" Any American that thinks we should raise the minimum wage should shut up and and give some of their salary to the minimum wage workers, period!"
" Any American that supports abortion rights should shut up and kill their firstborn child, period!"
"Any American that supports gay marriage should shut up and go marry someone of their own gender, period!"
"Any American that supports labor unions should shut up and start their own union shop, period!"
etc etc etc...blah blah blah

 

completely illogical comparisons.
in any of those comparisons is anyone demanding someone else to the thing they claim to support ?
Are pro-gay marriage people asking people to marry gays ? NO.
What an illogical post !

 

The only thing illogical is the OP. In both the OP and my comparisons, we are talking about one persons opinion of how the collective should behave. In no way shape or form does one persons opinion of how the collective should behave mean that therefore that person MUST actively participate in that opinion.

Of course pro gay marriage people arent asking to marry gays, nor are pro military action people asking to pick up an M16. In both instances, that person is merely stating their opinion of what is the best action for the collective.

To whatever extent my post is illogical, is due solely to the fact that I copied the OP logic PRECISELY. I am merely demonstrating the absurd by being absurd.

 

I'd like to get the opinion on what O'Reilly said last night. As I said, I agree with the man. I have been saying what he said over a week ago. So tell me Liberals, what have you against bombing the enemy out in an open desert and bombing our equipment they are taking up to Syria? As both of us has pointed out, we are not talking of putting troops on the ground to fight these guys. But there is no way we should stand back and watch the biggest terror group in the world take over Iraq. Do you have a problem with that, then spell it out.

 

Sure as well as Clinton and Biden

 

You really don't understand that after it's been explained to you about 150 times.......

 

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so."
Yeah eh hem......well we know that line was true.
Yeah your problem is I do actually understand history. You can explain it all you want it isn't going to make you any more correct than it did the first time you said it even if you think so. No matter what you say, Hillary and John Kerry agreed with Bush. Their vote is recorded historical record that you can look up as well as Biden stating Saddam had WMDs and needed to be removed from power. >>>>>in 1998 BEFORE Bush was president.
Seems like a lot of lefties agreed with Bush up until it went bad, then they act like they had nothing to do with it.

 

So you really are clueless,it's not an act....OK..

 

This 21st agenda progressive movement is fascinating. The logic is particularly impressive. Not sure exactly the mathematical equation, but its result is that the United Nations peacekeeping force in Mali, will be getting Drones to police the citizens there.

Meanwhile, Beheading and mass slaughter of civilians in Iraq continues, as the President of the USA is unable to decide what to do, and therefore, has resorted to the conventional resort, which is to visit the golf resort.

 

"Our equipment"? How so? I thought it belonged to the Iraqi army and they abandoned it and ran away (which, of course, Obama made them do).

Being a big 2nd Amendment guns-for-everyone-everywhere kind of fella I'm sure you don't want gun dealers to have to follow around their customers 24/7 to make sure their weapons don't wind up in the hands of 'those people', do you?

 

The Iraq war in 2003 was faulty. But this threat right here with ISIS is a legit threat. We need to kill those (*)(*)(*)(*)ers there so they don't come back to our countries and wage jihad.

 

What exactly is your endgame? You're not solving any of the sectarian problems through war.It just suppresses them. The instant you withdraw they'll start fighting again. So what's the bloody point? Do you want a perpetual war?

The West should stay out of the Middle East. It's none of our business. Let them kill each other all they like.

 

The point is sir, they are taking that equipment to Syria to knock off the government so they can try and take that country over too. They shouldn't be hard to spot and blow up.

 

The current Government in Iraq has itself to blame for the current situation.

The Shiites din't want to include Sunni's in the Government.....this is what happens.

Sad thing is we KNEW this would happen.

AboveAlpha

 

We shouldn't have been in Iraq to begin with. We blew trillions of taxpayer dollars and got nothing in return - if the Iraqi military won't stand up for themselves then that's on them.

 

If that is the point then maybe you shouldn't call it "our equipment". That is unless you are in the Iraqi army. And weren't the true patriots screaming about 10 minutes ago that the Great Dictator Obama wasn't doing enough to help the rebels knock off Assad's Syrian regime? Which is it, help Iran and their puppet Malike or the rebels? Help brutal gas using Assad or the radical rebels? You true patriots positions are all over the map but seem generally to be predicated on how opposing your President. The Middle East is a confusing, complicated place and only made more confusing and complicated when you base your constantly shifting positions on how the President you hate acts (or doesn't act, as the case may be).. Too bad true patriots disdain 'nuance'.

 

No I stated facts. You seem to not be able to comprehend them. Sorry youre mad that John Kerry, Hillary and Biden all agreed with Bush. Are you thinking bout taking their posters off your ceiling?

 

Yeah that's not how it works as we just illustrated. The problem is terrorists don't JUST kill themselves they kill us as well. Sorry the world isn't rainbows and ponies as Obama told everyone. You have to crush terrorism no matter how long it takes not let them gain control of a nation, obtain half a billion dollars and weapons that can now shoot down airliners with ease.

 

Bush had the CIA tell them that Saddam had WMDS, but Bush knew there were no WMDs, you still don't get that do you?
You don't get the difference between the liar and the lied to.......

 

Prove that statement or you lose.
Bush wasn't President in 1998 who had the CIA lie to Biden?

 

How much data do you think the CIA gathered in 4 years?
Are you really that slow on the uptake?

 

With no in country intel, very little.

 

OK, so you clearly have no clue about the 30 agents the CIA sent into Iraq, the fact that the Weapons Inspectors were CIA agents who had free rein to investigate any site they wanted to go to.
And they did, and they actually debunked the very "data" that they were supplying congress....
But you didn't know that did you? It's only been 12 years, and you still are unaware of what actually happened.................