Since this forum is obsessed with religions. I am interested if there is support to the fallen angel. Mr Lucifer. For every ying there is a yang, the good will have bad. The light and the dark. The gods and devils. So to all satanists who are not currently included. Do that Voodoo that you do, so well.
Am a big fan of Lucifer both fiction ( Wendy Alec) and much more interesting , non fiction . True and full History . You need to be very clear about the real origination of the term , Satan . It has absolutely nothing to do with the figure of Lucifer the Archangel of Light . Sit comfortably and prepare yourself . Judas Iscariot was Chief of the Scribes until the crucifixion and was a supporter of the Eastern philosophy, namely opposing Rome with force and the exclusion of Gentiles from them. He was an active Zealot . Judas was the successor to Judas the Galilean and was known commonly as Satan . He stood as second in command and Prophet to Simon Magus the Pope of the Eastern Church with Theudas who was its King . And Theudas was also known as Barabbas . And it was Theudas ( Barabbas the King and not some petty thief) and Simon Magus who were crucified , with Judas Iscariot cleverly and cunningly avoiding being in the middle . And it was under the name of Satan that he debated with Jesus at the temptations . You must appreciate that there were two parties of religious people that made up early Christianity or even pre Christian times , if you wish to be pedantic . Those that pulled to the East -- as already mentioned -- and those more Hellenic or Western in nature , who wanted peace with Rome and were led by Jesus , who , radically in those times , accepted Gentiles . Judas ( from the East ) was in the process of considering a move from the anti Rome stance toward the Jesus led "peace keepers".And , interestingly , becoming an anti John the Baptist ( the cousin of Jesus ) as Jesus was himself , at least politically . Judas( Satan ) offered him the world , but the subtext was , " If you accept me as Priest and Pope , I will make you King " You must be aware that at that time , Jesus had not yet fully gone against the injunction that only members of the tribe of Levi could act as Priests , whereas Jesus' claim to Kingship could be supported , because he was from the Royal House of David . Jesus turned him down because he closely allied himself to Jonathan Annas the ruling High Priest .And would not break that alliance , Jonathan Annas as High Priest was God's word on earth . This background is vital to the understanding of Judas( Satan ) and goes some way to giving you real motives for him later betraying Jesus . He was turned down by Jesus and was deprived of becoming High Priest -- a level of position not hinted at in the New Testament which is why his betrayal was always so difficult to comprehend . It also gives dimension to this figure thrust on to us of a common thief , Barabbas . No such thing. Simon Magus stood second only to Jesus as a figure in those times but politically was more important . The bible has almost struck him from existence and , of course , played down the significance of Judas Iscariot and Barabbas . With them included , the narrative was far too political , full of back stabbing and totally "Unchristian" !!
Satan is, like all other deities, a made-up character intended to compel human behavior through fear.
I like the dark literature, and the dark fantasy more than the "light fantasy". It is I like more the legends of Satan or the Devil than the legends of God. And considering all the texts of the bible, is more evil God than Satan or Lucifer. Lucifer is portrayed as the being that gave freedom to the person, a person that only murdered people when they were murderers. No one innocent has died in his hands, while God has killed millions of innocent people, according to the bible. Also according to the bible the heaven is hotter than the hell
So, I believe the answer to that question is yes, there is at least on Satanist on this board. Incidentally, most Satanists classifiy themselves publically as strong atheists. Wonder why?
You have absolutely no evidence with which to substantiate that preposterous assertion. That said, one can not be a Satanist and an atheist. Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of supernatural bengs. So any Satanist that claims to be an atheist is mistaken, or lying.
Some of their beliefs and practices are: They do not worship a living deity. Members are Agnostics or Atheists. Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess. They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life. "Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious..." 1 http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis1.htm You know, for a guy that is apparently attempting to avoid me, you do seem to rather peskily follow me around to rebut factual statements that seem to conflict with yoru emotional id and desire to be better than all others. MANY Satanists claim to be atheists, that is a fact - and I really don;t care one wit whether or not that statement conflicts with your opinion of what an atheist should be or actually is. Because that standard changes on a dime. Prisoners with 'no religion' are not atheists, you have to claim it correct? But Buddhists are often listed as atheists, even though they do not claim it. Now Satanists actively call themselves atheists, but hey cannot be atheists? This is exactly the tomfoolery that lead me away from atheism. Or did you think atheism had the market on self worship completely cornered? And too put this in perspective, the Crusaders and the Westboro Baptist Church were/are Christians. I am not going to change the standards of what a Christian is simply to meet my own emotional desires. We learn by acknoweldging mistakes, whether organizational or personal - and you cannot do that when there is ALWAYS an excuse for bad things. Never YOUR fault and NEVER YOUR FAITH GROUPS fault? Right.
Mystical hoopla. Honestly? Where do you come up with this stuff? On what basis did you arrive at this--yet another--preposterous conclusion? I have news for you: The web does not revolve around you. That I may reply to erroneous or flat-out made up nonsense and that it oftentimes happens to be one of your posts does not constitute "following you around." Get over yourself man. Let's see the numbers. Post a citation to the scientific poll that you're clearly using as the basis of your claims and you will shut me right up. Not my opinion. Only the standard dictionary definition. I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Nothing new, really.
There was a source, it was quoted. You don't like it. Tough (*)(*)(*)(*) kiddo. The world does not revolve around your emotional antics, and neither do I. I am not going to leave our facts for the sake of your ego. No one is forcing you to do this kiddo. Its all you.
I want numbers. I want data from a scientific poll. You'd do your cause good to produce them. Otherwise, you are just making things up--again. De rigeur... Once again--what the hell are you babbling about? Once again--what the hell are you babbling about? Whatever you say, kiddo.
The do a google search, honestly, you asked for the source and got it, and now you don;t want to acknowledge it. Well, facts are facts. As I said initially, I really don;t care that you semantically don;t want it to be. You don;t want to ackowledge it, and I don;t care. What clear is I neither made it up nor lied about it. And its equally clear that you are behaving like an absolute loon. Get over yourself and conceed a simple point - MANY Satanists classify themselves as atheists. Well, you don;t like that? Who cares?
Your "source" did not reference any data to specifically substantiate your claim that "most Satanists identify themselves as atheists." Just show me that data--from the scientific poll you must have used to arrive at that conclusion. Or, show me that data that your "source" used. Otherwise, all you have is speculation and innuendo kiddo. Obviously you don't care. Otherwise you would not be so sloppy with your "evidence." By the way, is there something wrong with your keyboard? You are using a semicolon where you mean to use an apostrophe. I know they are right next to each other on the QWERTY keyboard. I'm not being a smartass here, just wondering if you were aware of those consistent typos in some of your posts. I never said you lied about it. I said you made it up. And without data, that's exactly what you did, kiddo. Or somebody else made it up and you simply regurgitated it here on the board and thought I wouldn't notice that your "source" is wanting. I will concede nothing until I see the data. If you have it, bring it. If not, you'd do well do retract your preposterous assertion kiddo.
The source has a further citation, read the citation and conduct your own research. Being lazy and rude is nothing to base a contention upon. You'll conceed nothing because your ego prevents you from doing so. Noted, and irrelevent.
as usual Neutral hit all the facts right on the nail.. you go bro..maybe some day I'll be as blessed as you are.. prost! may the blessed wine of jesus blood flow through you.. amen
The burden of proof rests with the party of the affirmative. IOW: you are the one trying to prove an assertion, therefore it is your responsibility to produce the evidence in support of your case, kiddo. Huzzah! "Pot, this is kettle... I have some news... YOU'RE BLACK!" I'll concede nothing because you have not adequately made your case, kiddo. Show me the data and SHUT ME UP! It would be the answer to your prayers! Come on, kiddo, just show us the numbers. Don't be lazy... be prepared.
'Support' is all it takes to be classified as a Satanist? Not actual worship? Well then, Satan me up. As a fictional character, I quite like him, there's elements of a kind of Robin Hood or Batman type story there - doing nasty things but for a good reason. And on another note, credit where it's due, as much as Neutral is annoying, if he's legit about not moving goalposts like that then props to him.
Poor Mister Lucifer hasn't had a mention and they just assume that he is synonymous with Satan . DYOR .
