Any Study Of 'Gun Violence' Should Include How Guns Save Lives

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    The nra has lobbied for decades to allow criminals to buy guns privately without having to show “proof of eligibility”, a phrased used specifically in Heller and all other SC decisions on gun legislation. The SC has always included that it is constitutional to require persons to show their eligibility for their constitutional rights. It’s been on the books for FFL dealers for decades. Everyone of the bill of rights is subject to regulation and the second is no different.
     
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    Except for the fact that the NRA has never lobbied for such, and certainly not with that particular language.
     
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    How exactly are criminals held accountable in private s
    Sure, stay in the dark just to bury more children.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet another lie from the anti-gun press that you and the mindless anti-gun followers fall for, had the author of that chart not purposefully left out a number of nations in order to propagate the narrative. this is what the chart would look like.

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    Which indicates the U.S. has no where near the highest murder rate, but that would not support WAPO's nor your false narrative.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While you stand in their blood pushing a false narrative blaming an object for the actions of a madman.

    That's both heartless and immoral.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are incorrect. The NRA has never lobbied to allow criminals to buy guns and you were made to believe that private sales are a "loophole" when no law was being circumvented. 100% of criminals who want a gun, have one already. Your gun laws do not apply to criminals and only help provide them with easy victims.

    Here in Los Angeles, no CCWs are issues to private citizens regardless of how clean their background. Only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns here.
     
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    Don't confuse the anti's with facts, it makes them angry and confused.
     
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    NRA’s own site. They are a pac and lobby institute.
    “observers and lawmakers see the NRA as one of the top three most influential lobbying groups in Washington, DC The NRA Institute for Legislative Action(NRA-ILA) is its lobbying arm, which manages its political action committee (PAC), the Political Victory Fund (PVF
    ). “

    There are no gun laws that require criminals in private buying and selling to have back ground checks. Criminals are not required to have BCs

    I don’t care about California. You have no reference.
     
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    https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs
    https://oag.ca.gov/firearms
    Here are the firearm laws question to ca. Gov
    Where does it say a private citizen can’t get a CCW ?

    Question ca.gov
    How can I obtain a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license?

    • Contact your county sheriff's office or, if you are a resident of an incorporated city, your city police department, for information on obtaining a CCW license. They can answer your questions and provide you with a copy of their CCW license policy statement and the CCW license application. If you live within an incorporated city, you may apply to the police department or the county sheriff's office for a CCW license. However, only residents of a city may apply to a city police department for a CCW license.
     
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    And the truth remains the NRA has never advocated allowing criminals access to guns, you are really clueless about the NRA..
     
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    Sorry you linked to the incorrect set of laws, again proving you are clueless when it comes to anything gun related.
     
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    Please quote the NRA lobbying to allow criminals to buy firearms. We already know that Flaco doesn't go through a DROS when buying 3D printed AR15 in the back alley.

    There were a few CCWS in LA, but less than 300 out of millions of citizens. Only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns here.

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/inves...zens-Concealed-Weapons-Permits-507815711.html
     
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    That’s bloviating.
    Read the article.
    “Chief Michel Moore said in a sworn declaration he did not believe a group of people who obtained so-called CCWs as the result of a 1994 lawsuit were still entitled to the permits, because it was unlikely the individuals still faced extraordinary physical danger to their lives.”
    It only applies to a particular group of individuals who now don’t pass eligibility requirements they did in 1994.
    You’re funny.
    But telling miss truths and s not a way to make a point.
     
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    Practice what you preach.
     
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    197 conceal carry permits for over 10 million people. I made my point. Only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns in Los Angeles. If you are a gang member, rapist, armed robber, come to LA where you are safe.
     
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    Ha ha
    California is one of the safest states in the union as far as gun crimes is concerned. So one can’t get a permit because their ex wife is following them around ?
     
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    So you think Los Angeles is safe and support laws prohibiting citizens from carrying firearms?
     
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    Then cite the exact language that has been utilized by the NRA. Prove conclusively, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they are indeed in favor of arming known criminals, minors, and known terrorists, and have absolutely no concern for those that may be killed as a result. Prove that they advocate for the rights of convicted criminals and known terrorists. Actually demonstrate proof, rather than mindless repetition of factually deficient claims.
     
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    I gave an example of gun control in Los Angeles. Currently, only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns. Are you going to address what I said or just take cheap shots?
     
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    He lacks the intellectual integrity to post anything other than cheap shots and name calling.
     
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    Then simply dispense with the replies, and proceed with filing numerous reports for the numerous and blatant violations of established forum rules and guidelines that have been demonstrated.
     
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    They don't have to remove them, they are right there. Yet that's not something we see, all those people surrounded by guns every single day. If the streets of liberal cesspits have more guns around than that, then there really is a problem...
     
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    I don't think that works.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When people want to parade their ignorance and expose the weakness of their position, the last thing I want to do is report them. I may not be a Republican, but I do enjoy liberal tears!
     
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    It worked with regard to the former member Vegas Giants.
     
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