Apparently Britain has an epidemic of Muslim men raping white girls?

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    If I'm WRONG then tell me - if I'm right, then agree with me.
     
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    Can you condemn Mohammad/Allah for saying to beat women in Q4:34 (Shakir)?
    My guess is that you love women, such as your mom and sisters, enough to answer "yes"? Hopefully I'm not wrong about that. Hopefully.
    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-wife-beating-koran-4-34.htm
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What makes you think I care if you can condemn it or not? As I said, your vision is extreme and seriously at odds with the reality of how the overwhelming majority of Muslims interpret and practice Islam. If you want to stew in this archaic and anachronistic vision, go ahead, but don't expect others - notably, me - to give any credence to your vision by debating your cut-and-pastes.
     
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    Whether you're right or wrong is not the issue. As I think you know, lol.
     
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    As I said... spoon-fed cut-and-pastes that Wahhabi fundamentalists would applaud but bear no resemblance whatsoever to the faith as it is actually interpreted and practiced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims in this day and age.
     
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    I do not read it as such but have not needed to analyze it to see if it fits' what we believe as compared to what our myths say.

    I would say that it mostly belongs to the myths we wrote to put against the Christian bible and myth when all knew they were myths.

    Gnostic Christians do not hold any supernatural beliefs and that Jesus as a boy myth is full of it.

    Since it shows Jesus killing just as Yahweh is shown to do, it is likely more of a Christian myth than a Gnostic Christian myth.

    That or we were trying to bad mouth Jesus as we still do today for his poor morals.

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    For sure.

    No worthy God would curse Muslim men with having to service 72 virgins on a constant basis.

    Yuk.

    That is not heaven. It is hell and Allah shows his hate for all Muslim men.

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    And fear Allah knowing that you will meet Him and have to be required to give an account of all unrighteous seed sowing.

    Allah likes to watch us in our bedrooms as we masturbate or do other things there does he?

    Allah, keep your



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    I know that God is All-Knowing. I know that. I know that you are not All-Knowing.. I also know that. I choose to be with God.
     
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    You can't condemn wife beating!? Wow!
     
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    God doesn't even know to not pick a pedophile (Mohammad) as his #1 role model, I do of course.....you lose.
     
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    The Jesus who loves enough to generate the hate that the world requires to see to show it that there worlds people must end the corruption of our immoral religions and governments.

    Jesus came to bring war to us and we should all strive for war of our ideologies.

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    Let's put it this way... HE knows what you do in the privacy of your private time regardless if you are aware of Him or not.
     
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    see.. such statements are not true and dishonors God. Such ones as this definitely has NOT been chastened nor disciplined by Him yet. And so these are illegitimate children.

    Hebrews 12:8 ISV
    "Now if you are without any discipline, in which all sons share, then you are illegitimate and not God's sons."
     
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    Oh please. A great example of blatant intellectual dishonesty.
     
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    See, you are not correct again.. The Holy Bible does not say that Jesus is 'a' God.
     
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    he isn't a god. He is needed by God to be God. Would you be able to say that you were a hearted human being if you had no heart? Do you have family members? How do you feel towards them? Your mom, dad, brothers/sisters/cousins, etc....????

    Would your family be a family if you were not in there? Would your husband/wife be a husband or wife without you? Would you be a mother/father without your children? Would you be a child without your mother/father?

    Every person you have associated with and or associate with... Do you not think they have a father and mother? Do you not think they are a son or daughter to some parents? Do you not think they have grandparents? Everyone has parents. Everyone has a mother and father.

    The same is true with animals.

    However in today's day, a child can be born without any natural affection. Using a syringe full of semen and or a fertilized test-tube 'egg' can do the same.

    We are becoming worse than barbarians.

    If science is more worthy than humans so as to have humans be the subjects of scientific tests, then what is human life really worth? A pharmaceutical addition?

    You do know that 'trial and error' is a part of tests, right?

    And of course one knows that to be part of a family means that each member has the authority and capablity of smearing the family name or keeping the family name in good reputation. For those that don't care about their family name and all else who are in it, they will be 'judged' by their very own family members whom they cared not for while doing their own pleasurable things in life.

    The Judgement is not only from God, I don't think. Everyone one named in the family name, the surname, is going to see everything you have done. Your righteous family members will be there also viewing all the works you have done and they will also have part in the 'Judgement' while being in the Congregation of the Righteous. So if you don't care about your righteous family members, remember that they are probably going to be there as one of those who are judging you alongside all the other Righteous and unrighteous family members. It is a separation between the Righteous and the unrighteous, even within family names and heritages. The Righteous shall judge the unrighteous and probably first from within their OWN family name.

    Remember that the last name you bear is not only 1. It has been handed down to you through Generations and Generations of living life. And if a person is to get married and takes on the male's last name, the lineage of the male will judge the male on how he took care of his wife for the better and for the worse, so help them God. (that is the traditional marriage vow which is going out of trend nowdays). The married woman will be judged by her own husband after he has been judged by his family heritage.

    A person is separated from father and mother when he/she leaves and gets married and them 2 become 1. After that, they have started another line of his surname. If both the male and female, husband and wife, should choose to change their last names, heritage, then they might be freed from any 'obligations, hopes, blessings, etc' which was placed upon the surname in times past. To think that by changing the surname, curses, will also be broken, is more wrong than right.

    'Generational curses' are first of all not mentioned in The Holy Bible. The Holy Bible does say that God visits the children of those that hated HIM to the 3rd and 4th generations. However such visitations from God is not always 'bad'. His visitations could be so that those that 'hated God' could receive some form of repentance. God remembers the 'hate' of my fathers, let's say, and so HE comes to visit me, me being the 3rd or 4th generation. Through me, He can help them be forgiven for their hatred. I can choose to be with God and help my past relatives which hated God gain forgiveness just as many Old Testament Persons asked for the forgiveness of their past fathers. 'We have sinned, we and our fathers'.. etc... I can do the same. However after the 3rd or 4th generation, I might not be obligated to ask for any forgiveness although the past sins has not been cleared. And at this time, I can become worldly, lustful, hateful, disobedient, etc... But God does not have us attached to our past fathers. After such a time period, after 4 Generations, maybe the connections to our own past is severed and we are not going to have too much role and part in their forgiveness.

    So with Generational curses, it can be a way to be used by God to help cleanse the wrongs of self sin and family past sins.

    But you have to remember that only Good comes down from the Father of Lights. If I am receiving the so called 'generational curses', they are not so much a negative thing but it is much more of a positive good thing.

    And that is why The Apostle says to not find the chastening of the LORD as a curse.

    Proverbs 3:11
    "My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:"

    Hebrews 12:5
    "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:"

    The chastening and the rebukes from the Lord are Good.

    Turn away from anyone that tells you that God does not discipline His Children nor chastens or disciplines them. Such ones are corrupt and only want smooth words.

    Such was the case before Israel got taken captive into Babylon.


    Hebrews 12:7
    "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
     
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    Hebrews 12:5-9
    "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

    6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

    7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"


    Proverbs 3:11-12

    "11My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

    12For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth."


    Proverbs 13:24
    "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

    rod - 7626 [e] ḇə-ṭōw שִׁ֭בְטוֹ his staff

    7626. shebet
    correction, dart, rod, scepter, staff, tribe

    From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, i.e. (literally) a stick (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) Or (figuratively) a clan -- X correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.
    http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/7626.htm

    c. shepherd's implement, - (which is used to keep the sheep together and in place)
    d. truncheon, sceptre, mark of authority,
    http://biblehub.com/bdb/7626.htm



    chasten : 4148. musar
    bond, chastening eth, chastisement, check, correction, discipline

    From yacar; properly, chastisement; figuratively, reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint -- bond, chastening ((-eth)), chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke.

    http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/4148.htm
     
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    Instead of 72 sexually experienced women, how about ONE experienced broad who really knows what she's doin'!?
    That he IS GOD, not 'a' god, yes, you are correct.
     
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    I don't fear your unproven invisible friend, unless he cares about me enough to provide a court-room level of evidence that he's the one and only real god. Ask him to do that, ok?
     
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    Yes. It is quite easy as it gives me a lot to snip. All the Abrahamic cult holy books do the same. The Qur'an and Islam's Sharia is just the worst of the worst.

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    That's TWICE you've passed on condemning Q4:34's wife beating so I'm convinced that summoning the moral courage to do that is beyond you. Many religious people can't either, so don't feel bad, however. Modern Secular Humanist are more caring/ethical, so of course we fully condemn Allah/Mohammad for saying to beat women, and that women are inferior to men, and that men are "in charge" of women.
     
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    You're like me, but better! Again, I admire you more than I admire god, Jesus, Allah, Moses, Mohammad, and almost as much as Chuck Norris.
     
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