Appeals court says Trump family planning restrictions can take effect

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which of my views are inconsistent?

    That is merely your opinion that they are not needed. Planned Parenthood had 2.5 million patients in the US visit its affiliate health centers for services and information in 2015, and its website received 60 million visits during that time. That’s a lot of people to not be needed for anything — or do you believe they are doing 3 million abortions a year?

    You still didn’t answer my question, do local clinics provide the same services (minus abortions) for a comparative cost?
     
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    Translation: Let's justify 99.5% of abortions using 0.5% of abortions.

    Great. Let's talk about the mental and physical health of women.

    Not only did the women in the study have higher rates of mental health issues AFTER abortions but....

    Women prone to getting abortions in the first place have higher rates of mental illness to begin with.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3929105/

    In addition, before their pregnancy, women who had abortions had significantly more mental health disorders overall, p < .001, and were significantly more likely to have had an anxiety disorder, p = .004, mood disorder, p < .001, substance use disorder, p < .001, and suicidal ideation, p < .001, and marginally more likely to have had an impulse-control disorder, p = .059, than women in the childbirth group (Table 2).
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh look, you're having trouble finding the info you don't want to find that's in the info I gave you.

    Seems you can't point to the evidence you don't want to see either.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Says the guy who doesn't want to read the information provided.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Direct quote them.

    I’m sorry, I can’t find things that don’t exist.

    Direct quote them and I will admit I am wrong.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read the “source” you provided that doesn’t say what you asserted it did.
     
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    Under Obamacare are you tell me its not the case?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know what? Who cares. They're getting defunded anyway.

    You want an abortion, pay for it yourself at PP.

    You need a mammogram and don't have insurance, you'll get care at a real heath care location.
     
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    So women that have abortions are more likely to have mental health issues leading to them making bad decisions leading to unwanted pregnancies. Is that your new argument?

    Yeh, we should really force these types of people to have children they can not want and neglect.
    That’s such a great argument, you should send it to the anti-abortion lobby.
     
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    No, what it says is that they listed it as a "service" they don't actually provide. All they do is call a real health care provider.

    Then they count it as a service for funding so they can use the tax payers money to perform abortions.

    Look at the bright side, now they don't have to pretend anymore.
     
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    What? Your comment is unintelligible. What is not the case?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, my point is that crazy women kill their children, which makes them crazier.

    In their defense, they are typically leftists.
     
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    I accept your concession.
     
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    Your concern about cost.... Try to keep up.. Outside of abortion there is no need for PP..

    Answer this how much do local clinics donate to campaigns? ( There is your answer why the Dems love themselves some PP)
     
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    And millions of people disagree with you. I’m not sure what a failed healthcare system has to do with it — unless you are advocating for a national healthcare system.

    I would donate to democrats also if I was blindly attacked by their political opposition without reasoning.
    They believe in their cause just as much as you believe you are right.
     
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    So we should force them to have the children instead?
     
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    No one forces anyone to get pregnant outside of the 0.5% of abortions from rape.
     
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    Ok, I’ll rephrase. We should force mentally ill women — who do not want to have a child — to carry a zygote to term because they made a bad decision even though other alternatives are available.

    I guess that makes sense
     
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    No one forced anyone to do anything.

    If you get pregnant, that means there's a baby coming.

    If you don't want a baby, be responsible.

    Oh and by the way, according to the study, these were average leftist type mental illnesses (anxiety, unable to control emotions, stuff like that) not debilitating mental illnesses.

    Then when they had an abortion, they got worse.

    You don't seem to care about their mental health now. Why is that?
     
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    The 9th Circuit has 29 judges, so it's probably a slow process replacing retiring liberal judges with real judges, but it looks like some progress is being made.
     
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    Anxiety is a leftist mental illness? I must have missed when they classified it as that. I will have to let several of my extremely conservative family members know that it must be something else...

    And no, just because you get pregnant does not be a baby is coming — above 20% end in miscarriage. And there are numerous alternatives, plan B and various other non invasive procedures all the way up to abortion. Even if you shut down Planned Parenthood under trump (you likely won’t, they realize they just have to stay open long enough to outlast his presidency) abortion will still exist. Even if the SCOTUS throws it back to the states, many states will still allow it and abortion tourism will become a viable industry.

    You are not going to be able to ban abortions nationwide.
    It just won’t happen.

    But cheer in your temporary victory over women
     
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    No it's not exclusive, leftists just have a higher prevalence of mental illness, getting an abortion, and getting even more mental after an abortion.

    No one's shutting down Planned Parenthood, you just have to pay for your own abortion.

    Surely rich leftists could help fund PP through donations?
     
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    No they don't they refer them to Infectious disease specialists or aids clinics.

    There already an increase in STD's, that have the same risk factors as HIV.
     
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    They howl and moan about NPR funding as well.
     
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    Thats what dems say.
     

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