Are the Liberals corrupt?

watched the news this morning,

$25.000 each from business people towards the Colin Barnett government here in WA, just for a chat of course.

Gina Rinehart's wealth growing $1m every 30 minutes.

Is that only good old fashioned capitalism or neo capitalism, as we becoming another Russia?

How much say/power has the mining industry already, through TV or our so called free press?

Rudd was right, charge those ultra rich a bit more, but he forgot that they are running the show already, bad luck for him.

So for me I have rather Gillard and the Greens then those corrupt bastards,

have a nice day, as always...

 

The people are trapped in the constant merry-go-round of the two party system with no escape. The Libs/Nats are just as bad as the ALP/Greens, and the people just don’t have an option now since the Independents “bum fingers” Oakeshott and “no nuts” Winsor & Wilkie demonstrated to the people just how easy it was for them to sell their votes for a bribe.

The Libs are dictated too by the “big end” of town and the ALP is dictated too by the Union mafia; what hope does average person have besides starting to take back control off these cretins.

I have decided that I will not be voting for anyone that lies to me, or tells me that they cannot be trusted to tell the truth unless its written down on paper. I am responsible for my vote, and my conscience tells me not to give freely to a a pair of liars who would say and do anything to be the Prime Minister. Therefore, I will be voting informal this 2013 election, because this is a race to the bottom, not the top, and neither one of these scum-bags or their scummy parties deserve my honest vote.

 

I don't think it's corruption simply because it's being done in an obvious fashion, the payments for meeting the Barnett government I mean. Businesses might keep their money though, it's not like the Libs in WA are going to give them a problem is it?

 

Don`t forget, the unions own the ALP, all paid for by the union dues of working people who have no say in how their money is spent. It`s only reasonable to expect the mining industry to have representation and some degree of power, within reason, but there has to be a balance. As for Abbott and the Libs, they`d better perform when they get into power, they haven`t got much to beat at the moment, but the bar needs to be raised a hell of a lot to reach an acceptabls standard.

 

It doesn't matter who you vote OP.

Barnett loves raising prices in his state though.

 

So by your analogy you would have people who want more wealth in power rather then people who just want to get by week to week?

 

You are mistaken by 180 degrees, I would neither have union thugs who want more wealth and power at the expense of their members, and the health of the country, or their right wing equivilents. By the same token, I don`t envy the positions of most at the big end of town. All too often, the management pressures, and the risk management needed for these types of opperations can be phenominal. The country benefits from the efforts of these people, without them things wouldn`t happen at all. These things obviously need to be taken in balance, but blind envy is a weak and useless emotion.

 

That is a worry for myself as well, Libs and Nationals are completey out of question, the ALP has not really exceeded my expectations, and if you vote for the Greens your vote will be handed to ALP anyay. So not voting? Na, may be for an individuel or any other smaller party, the SEX party perhaps.
The best wake up call for our political landscape would be if people don't vote for the big ones, or as you mentioned....

 

Before advocating an informal vote, I also thought about voting for a smaller “unknown” party or a so-called Independent, but these people can then give or sell their constituents votes to a larger party’s for “whatever” just like Oakeshott, Winsor and Wilkie have done, and there is nothing the constituents can do about it. They don’t even have to disclose WHO or what party they are preferencing prior to an election; so the people never know who their vote is going to end up with.

My informal vote is a protest that I am dissatisfied with ALL current politicians and the political system, and until such time as politicians start including the people in the major decision making process that effect our lives, and start treating us with the honesty & respect we deserve, then I will not be giving my vote to them.

I also thought it would be somewhat contradictory voting for some other idiot who could up selling my vote for a bribe.

If enough people voted informal, it would show these clowns we are seriously sick of their games, and prepared not to vote for any of them until they start cleaning up their act.

 

Mate,
you are not wrong there, it makes me sick in seeing us not moving anywhere.....
Cheers bud

 

Back in 2007 my union asked me & the other members in my department if dues could be raised so we go could from outspending the Liberal/National coalition ten to one to fifteen to one in order to make sure we got rid of Work Choices (their own words). This was of course agreed to but this fifteen times bigger war chest buys a lot more than advertising & results in a situation where it is impossible for the coalition to be nearly as corrupt as the Labor, Greens & Independents alliance.

 

Didn`t your union already have enough of your money to defend itself with?

 

No matter what you say about the libs at least they let us vote on something as big as the GST, a vote for Howard was a vote for the GST and the majority of us voted for Howard and the GST.

On the other hand you have Gillard who promised she wouldn't..............need i go further.

Such big issues can't be the sole responisbility of one individual or party.

If we truely are a democracy then the people should get to vote on these issues.

If Gillard was a fair politician she would have taken the mining tax and the carbon tax to the next election, who knows if she had gone around selling it enough.............you just never know look at the GST.

As it stands now though Gillard has proven her self a monumental liar and she and labor and the greens are headed for demoliton at the next elections.

And i will vote for Tony Abbott simply to get rid ofthe carbon tax.

 

I was approached to become a union member a long time ago, but didn't. I don't like the way they fight, and todays union just haven't got the class to fight a right cause.
I sometimes think they don't fit in todays world, but the same applies to Reinharts and co. They also have no place in my just world.
However, I am certainly far more left then right, in most cases. So Abbotts would be the last man on this planet I would vote for. He is an idiot, with no vision and not a clue how to steer a ship.
With him, we are lost....

 

Did we vote for a GST? I thought it was introduced after an election where Howard didn't mention the GST at all, but I could very well be wrong.

 

Do you get the same wages as union members in your job?

 

We did vote for a GST, but honest Johny (Winston that is) said elect me and then i will give you the details.

John Hewston then oppostion leader (and i must say a fair man) in a public speach in Adelaide stood up and told the crowd exactly how the GST would work and he got pelted with tomatoes and eggs.

So honest John Howard took it to the next election when he took over as leader but wouldn't give out the details.

And yes we voted for him and the GST.

 

I didn't

 

You and I may not differ as much as we might at first think, although the degree of our contempt for certain parties seems to vary. Briefly, on the subject of the mega rich, I believe we should take into account the service that they provide for our country, and their social and ecological conscience. Not looking good for Gina eh ?

 

I`ll go along with a lot of that. The advantage the Lib / Nats have in my opinion, is that their policies lean far more toward conserving and protecting the Nation`s interests. We should vote for what`s good for the country, not whoever promises us the most for ourselves.

 

Don't be silly. Vote for your own interests, it's ridiculous not to do so. Voting is a way of letting the available politicians know what we want for ourselves, let's tell them and make them deliver. National interest only counts during times like war, the rest of the time you should vote for your own personal interests.

The Coalition is looking after the interests of the big end of town, Labor tries to ensure business gets what it needs, sometimes what it wants and also to balance the needs and wants of us little folks.

 

All I need is a Hayabusa, and a helicopter, and some free ice cream and you`ve got my vote. Yes, and don`t forget to kill all those nasty crocodiles for me, I`m frightened of them, and jealous of all the barra & crabs they eat.

 

Find a party with a policy platform that most closely approximates your wants and go for it!

 

nationalise the mines and banks form a workers revolutionary Council .of Australasia in preparation into the Asian workers republic in ,Hey lets just get those that defend nations ,the governments we ALL Hate and form a Unified globally Intergrated Political as well as economic ,hey Good run Capitialist class ,like the Emporer with no clothes.

Talking of which that was the last tour of the Queen or any King or Queen Of Australia ,BTW!

 

Hey is a Systemic crisis that confrounts us and they are all in double dip recession at worse mode.No sorry lest we forget means no more ,No slouch Hat Youth tours to europe or just plain Nuclear capitialist Holocaust pt3.