The political Left and their RINO political allies both in and out of the Judicial Branch in their zeal for getting away with an election theft seem unaware of the possible consequences for the decision-making process. They are establishing lasting legal precedent. It will be coming back to haunt them in -- no doubt -- a large variety of endlessly entertaining ways.
Correction: the political insanity . . . of the Dem Party's leadership and elites and plus their RINO allies both inside and outside of the Judicial Branch . . . says no witness can be honest no matter how many see the same thing.
That's why these investigators -- actually their politically corrupted bosses -- are NOT investigating. Oh they will do so two or three or even six months down the line AFTER any possible evidence has totally vanished. That's how you validate a stolen election . . . by first refusing to 'see' evidence and refusing to investigate and then wait for all the possible corroborating evidence to vanish or be thoroughly wiped clean before even considering beginning to investigate.
Precisely so, and the fact that at least 70 million voters will go to their graves KNOWING that there was legally-sanctioned illegal voting fraud by the corrupt justice system and corrupt election officials and the corrupt to the core Dem Party's leadership and their operatives is going to rebound against the political Left and their RINO allies currently smug because they are getting away with the open theft of the presidency. If elections have consequences then successfully stolen elections will have mind-boggling consequences for the people that are currently jubilant because their guys 'got away with it'.
There's a dead body, or perhaps someone is missing and there's human blood at the scene. Your murder witnesses would be gold for the prosecutor. But when they can find no crime, and they have looked and looked for a case of fraud, just seeing someone with a box of ballots won't get you a normal lawyer/prosecutor to use your testimony and certainly no judge. If Team Trump came up with some actual cases of significant fraud then the witnesses would have value but as yet they have shown diddly squat. I use significant because there's always the odd case like the guy using his mother's ballot to vote. That's a criminal act and he'll be treated accordingly. Over the last 20 years there have been an annual average of about 70 cases of vote fraud and they're usually very few votes out of billions cast in that time and only on two occasions did I find an election overturned and ordered redone, one was in a case in Texas where the winner was caught participating in the fraud in a very small town and the other a vote in N. Carolina where the winner had received hundreds of illegal ballots. Most of the other cases were things like school board candidates running under a false address. I was actually surprised how often that occurred.
If a person said they saw a murder, would the police investigate? Under the current theory, the answer is no. The problem starts with the refusal of any law enforcement agency investigating because law enforcement is of the same political party claimed to have committed the frauds and errors. These discussions go nowhere because almost no Democrats listened to the presentations that were made. Rather, they just listen to Democratic outlets chanting "there is no evidence" and just repeat it. If a person will not listen to or read details, there is no reason to put what they won't read on the forum.
This is such bullshit. These 'corrupt' officials have to be sitting in precinct after precinct after precinct, in county after county after county, in state after state after state, coordinated their actions with countless others, under the noses of poll watchers and people of all sorts of political persuasions, just sitting in place waiting to pounce on the 2020 election, when they were not sitting there in any of these precincts, counties or state coordinating with poll watchers and people of all sorts of political persuasions four years ago. Its ludicrous. Trump lost because Trump simply could not persuade the same voters swing voters in 2020 he was competent to run things, he had in 2016 after he had a chance to run things straight into an economic crisis, and pandemic. That theory was consistent with all sorts of data about what was going to happen for month after month prior to November in these same swing states. . You don't need to put together this grand conspiracy. He just plain lost
Georgia has a Republican congress, Secretary of State and Governor they counted the ballots 3 times and did system checks and found nothing. The DoJ led by a T**** fan who has literally acted as his personal lawyer, found nothing, no one no where has found anything. You can't base everything on conspiracy theories there has to be something to work with.
I would say that witnesses are the most primary form of evidence. Even forensic evidence requires witnesses, in some sense. A witness who claims to have collected the evidence at the scene, and then another witness who claims to have viewed the results of the test on the evidence. In some ways it is even true to say that actual witnesses are more reliable than forensic evidence, since forensic evidence can be falsely planted at the scene, but in the case of a witness, they can at least be held responsible and punished if it is proved that they were lying. What this question really touches on is the issue of what constitutes evidence and what the level of evidence should be, an issue which is not often discussed or thought about as a general topic. Maybe because it is too "abstract" or "complicated" for people. They only want to examine it in individual cases with specific circumstantial details.
Everyone should real read the works of Elizabeth Loftus, she has really exposed the fragile nature of eyewitness testimony,
I voted "yes" in this poll -- BUT -- I would only credit a witness with providing dependable EVIDENCE about anything after they have sworn under oath that they have told the complete truth, and agreeing that if they lie under that oath, they will suffer the full penalty for perjury!
So Republican Governors and Officials are going to order law enforcement of their States to deliberately ignore claims of fraud by the Democratic Party? Why FGS? Did the election this year somehow happen coincide with the Republican's annual 'crack' cocaine smoking festival? The DoJ did investigate via the FBI (heard of them). As did did Homeland Security (they reviewed any evidence of electronic hacking attempts.) Nothing of significance was found. Not to mention the recounts ordered by Republican appointed electoral officials. And the only 'people' who will be disinclined to believe the outcome once time has passed are that small, minority who would never accept any outcome other than a Trump victory. So narrow is their window of information from the outside world. Finally, at what point are you going to accept that literally tens of thousands of fellow Americans (as many Republicans as Democrats) have gone over this election with a fine tooth comb, repeatedly and found no evidence of wholesale fraud. Because if you can't accept the above it means you don't trust them to do their jobs properly. And if you can't it can only mean one thing. That if you were placed in their shoes (supervising, recounting or investigating the election) and you found evidence of fraud you honestly see yourself as the type of person who would deliberately choose to ignore it. There's only two choice's, you are that type of person or you are not. And if you are not, why then do you believe they all are?
So the FBI and Homeland Security are all secretly Democrats? So is their boss, a Trump appointed official? And of course all the senior police officers in Republican dominated States where recounts were ordered? They must be secret Democrats to? Together with all the election official's in those States who supervised the recounts ordered by their respective Republican dominated administrations and whose job it is to alert authorities to fraud? That's a hell of a lot of previously undetected, 'secret' democrats wondering around out there cowboy. Probably enough to win the election without cheating! And your evidence for this army of dems is what exactly?
And you were appointed spokes person for every other Republican voter in the country how exactly? The voices in your head perhaps? What gives you the right to claim to speak on all their behalves, claim to know exactly how they'll all feel 5,10, 20 years from now? Presume much?
A very credible witness, the headline of your linked story. One Of Trump’s Election Fraud “Witnesses” Also Says He’s Being Haunted By Ghosts. Ok!
We’ve wondered into the territory of yelling fire in a crowded theatre. I believe it to be the result of our picking away at law for the sake of commerce for decades. The resulting product sucks. This whole affair is indecent. It’s a really sticky area. It’s as if we’ve placed all responsibly on the consumer and given license to the unscrupulous. We’ve got to investigate this affair, study the findings, and make the requisite changes. There’s got to be a better way.
If there was no corroborating evidence to a murder, it would be hard to convict based solely on eyewitness testimony. That's what you have here. Some folks swore they saw something funny going on, but the only evidence something funny happened is that someone said it did. There's no body, no murder weapon, no physical evidence, no evidence at all of any kind except for partisan eyewitnesses and a bunch of crackpot outlandish conspiracy theories. And we've been told since the spring by Trump, his campaign, and numerous Republicans, that Trump would only lose if there was fraud. So what happens? Trump loses and some of his supporters then allege fraud. Big surprise there. Equally as big of a surprise is they can't prove it. Anywhere. Because it's a sham. There was almost certainly no more fraud and invalid ballots than there ever is during any presidential election. If our complaint is that we didn't have a perfect election with NO fraud at all, then that complaint will be eternal because that perfect election will never happen. Ever. But if we can proceed with the understanding that there is going to be some fraud, some invalid ballots, as to be expected in an election where over 150 MILLION PEOPLE have voted, but without making claims of huge fraud cases that change results without the evidence to back it up, we'll be exactly where we've always been in every election prior. People expected Trump to win. He didn't. While it's no shock to me, the people who spent four years living in a Trump bubble are getting their first taste of the weather outside of it and can't seem to understand how it could have happened without fraud. That is not the fault of the election or evidence of fraud, it's the fault of those who chose to live in that bubble and now are unequipped to process reality.
It looks exactly the same as it did four years ago. The only difference is the tears are red, instead of blue. It's funny for awhile. Now, it's just sad.
The evidence has not yet been heard or considered. Many are concerned that the truth will cause a lot of turmoil and it will. For the establishment it is go along to get along time. We're just not having it.
