According to nearly every lifer on this board fertilized ovums, or embryos are important and unique human lives that must be saved at all costs. Which leads me to wonder, are most lifers in favor of or against in vitro fertilization which often leads to the death of many embryos? http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_inco.htm While abortion is the main target of lifers, I have never once seen a lifer on this forum criticize fertilization clinics for creating multiple embryos and then disposing of quite a few of them. This is murder to those of you who believe embryos are persons, isn't it? Is there some reason that lifer groups only target abortion and not other causes of death to embryos they deem to be persons? Thoughts?
Well thanks for being the first to post! =) So infertile couples should only be allowed to adopt the children they want and wait in a long line for those ever desired babies?
I am not really concerned about what they should or shouldn't do. I am speaking specifically to the action itself. If you have to kill 20 to get 1 implanted, it's simply not morally just in my eyes. Not to mention the multiple births that can come with it. Or the fact that alot of women having to use IMF are previous chronic BC users and/or had an abortion previously and now can't get pregnant. Fertility is a blessing, not a right. If your going to intentionally screw up your bodily functions so you can live a wild sex life, you need to understand there are consequences from that later in life, when you settle down. Now, having said that alot of women are just infertile and can't have babies. Sad but true. For those folks, there is adoption. The next best thing.
Please note that "TheHat" not only wants to punish women who choose sex by forcing them to bear unwanted babies, he also wants to punish women who choose to use birth control by forcing them to NOT bear wanted babies. How controlling is that?
It is a fine example of religion driven zealotry and morality coercion coupled with a preference of sexual repression.
Well Hat while I strongly disagree with your position, I commend you for not only being consistent, but for also being the only lifer to actually post about this issue so far. Hoping to see a few more pop in soon though...
Please note your a joke. Every time you claim someone wants to "punish" women, you show how insanely radical you truly are.
Nobody is against women. Just b/c you cant back anything you ever say up, doesn't mean those of us who do are against women. Dumbest thing I ever heard. Like it or not, people cause more problems with themselves then is necessary. Women are told to jump on the pill and to get abortions if they need to, then realize 15 years down the road, they cant get pregnant b/c they killed their reproductive system but dont want to admit they are to blame for it. Watch a birth control commercial. Or any prescription drug commercial. Who in their right mind after 40 seconds of terrible side effects would go to a doctor and ask for that particular drug? But they do it, then wonder why 10 years later why they cant have a kid. Might be because you fried your ovaries with constant high levels of steroids. Its not good for you or your reproductive system. If your reproductive system thought it was good for you to excrete high levels or progesterin and estrogen all day every day, it would do it by itself. But ********** your own body's ability to function normally when you give yourself high levels of synthetic hormones and that has long lasting effects. Say what you want, what I just said doesn't mean I am "against women". That is a lazy person's arguement who cant come to grips with the facts. If all these people would let their body function naturally, they wouldn't have to spend the extra dollars trying to create a "perfect" life and to get their bodies back to equilibrium, which is what they are having to do. How many of you who think I am nuts, sit and talk about evil corporations and pharmacutical companies? Yet you go out and buy BC from the same pharm companies...lol. How many of you do it? IF you want to see who is against women, go back and read the stories about how they used women as guinea pigs for birth control.
I am pro choice when it comes to abortion, but I oppose IVF for the same reason I'm against puppy farms. There are too many people on this planet already and too many orphans who need a home. If a couple cannot get pregnant and want a child, they can always adopt.
If "these people would let their body function naturally", women would be having one baby after another a la Michelle Dugger who is now risking her life with number 20. Women and children are much healthier when women can space their children several years apart and then stop having babies. Too frequent childbearing is hard on women's health, and that results in unhealthy babies too. It's insanely radical to suggest that women give up birth control.
I have never understood your position against birth control. I doubt I ever will. If a woman takes the pill for medical reasons, and for some reason, cannot fall pregnant, you cannot say with any certainty that her taking the pill is what rendered her infertile. The pill has never been linked with infertility in any way. Sure, there are some women who have had an abortion and find it hard to get pregnant. That's because they didn't go to a proper doctor for the procedure. Go to a amateur and you might not get what you paid for. Kind of like those women who go to Thailand for a boob job and then complain when it goes wrong. You get what you pay for, basically. What if the embryos used were not destroyed, but donated to other couples? What if a couple who couldn't have kids naturally wanted their own biological child? I imagine that as a father, you would understand that urge to create your own offspring. Why deny those people the chance to have their own biological child, instead wanting them to join a waiting list so they can adopt a strangers child?
With all due respect, Hat, the lifer quest to deny women the right to control their reproductive systems seems like an anti woman agenda to me. Your concern is a fetus residing in the woman. My concern is the womans body. Those concerns are bound to clash. The problem is figuring out who is right in their opinions. No one is told to 'jump on the pill'. Women take the pill because they want to enjoy a sexual relationship with someone they love, without wanting children. No one wants to have kids everytime they have sex. Most people don't have sex with the intention of creating a baby. Also, there is no evidence that the pill has any adverse effects on a woman's reproductive system. People take drugs all the time, despite those drugs having side effects. I am sure you have taken a pill that has made you feel horrible, even though it is actually helping you. I have been on the pill for around 10 years now, NOT for social reasons but medical reasons. As soon as I come off it, it takes around a week for everything to get back to normal. In other words, what is meant to happen each month, happens. That tells me that my ovaries work just fine. They ain't fried, just on hold for a time until I'm ready to use them! Same with other women. Birth control doesn't do anything to your reproductive system - if it did, there'd be evidence, and no one would try to sell someone a pill that would render them infertile. Do you have evidence to suggest the pill causes infertility? And does your source give an idea of how long one must take the pill before the so called damage is irreversible? For example, if it took 5 years on the pill to permanently damage the ovaries, would you be fine with a woman taking a pill for a period of 12 months? Sometimes our bodies don't function the way they should. Sometimes we need help because of that. No harm in that. I have never seen an ad for birth control here. I have never seen an ad for a pill that gives a list of side effects. The side effects are on the packet, here - not advertised on TV. Drug companies, IMO, are all about making money, not about helping people. However, there are some drugs out there that help people led normal, healthy lives. Women might take the pill because without it, they can't function properly, or lead normal lives. They are completely incapacitated, and that pill might be the only thing that helps them get through the day. I'm one of those women, and I do resent the implication that what I am doing is harming my body, when I don't believe it is. Haven't heard of that but I will look it up and see what you mean.
