Are you for AI

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My thoughts on AI

  1. For AI

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  2. Against AI

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  3. Not sure, mixed feelings

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you feel AI is a great concept, or do you fear the likes of the Terminator film coming true?

    Stephen Hawkin was alarmed and against AI, is mankind on the road to destruction?
     
  2. JohnHamilton

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    No matter how sophisticated it might be, AI is no different from any other programed computer. It can be programed with bias that reflect the values, attitudes and politics of the person who creates it. From that aspect, there is nothing superior about it.
     
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  3. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm checking out of future techology.
     
  4. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There will of course be a bumpy ride as society adjusts to things like AI taking jobs, etc.
    But in the long run, I believe it will give humanity a very bright future, and will be the key to things like fusion power and expansion into space.
    Our economic model will have to change, for sure, but that has been on the way out anyway. I think people will be far less reliant on working to live, and our work will no longer define who we are. Instead our interests and passions will define who we are.
    I do not think a doomsday scenario will be the result at all. I think that is fearmongering by a bunch of elites knowing they are going to lose the control they have over people.
     
  5. conservaliberal

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    If AI is constructed to run according to law, order, and LOGIC, then we may have little to fear from it. How much of totally human-run arrairs is lawful, orderly, or logical? I'm willing to give AI and robots a try... how could they do much worse than what we have right now?
     
  6. Polydectes

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    I don't think that it'll kill us in that way. What it will do is make us profoundly more lazy. But that's what they say about all tools.

    I'm indifferent to AI as I think it's a bit of a gimmick.

    But the reality is either we develop it or in the Russians or the chutneys of the Japanese develop it it's coming whether you want it or not. You can't stop progress.
     
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  7. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lazy is a very subjective term. Why do you think we would get lazy? I think some people are pursuing what they enjoy doing instead of meaningless unfulfilling labor as “lazy”.
     
  8. Grey Matter

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    You’ve apparently no clue what the ramifications of AI are. Super intelligence is the primarily expected outcome. And no one knows what exactly that looks like, except P.K. Dick.
     
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    AI stands to revolutionize girtually every aspect of human civilization. Its also dangerous as hell. I figure it'll be like nukes. Both a boon to humanity, and a perpetual sword of damacles hanging anhilation over our heads. Theres a real chance it could kill us all (armies of killer robots being the least likely way it would happen). But at the end of the day, someone is going to build it, and theres nothing we can do to prevent that. Might as well make it the best we can. After all, it very well could be 'good' AI that saves us from 'bad' AI.
     
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  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Computers have been Turing machines for years. So?
     
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  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And maybe Ah-nold
     
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    letting someone else for something else to do their thinking for them. I suppose that's always been a printed
    That's only the people who have the means to pursue what they enjoy.
     
  13. modernpaladin

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    There's not a lot of people who enjoy doing something that's actually beneficial. Artists are actually pretty rare, and even more rare are the people who benefit from their art.

    Most people, if they arent trying to avoid suffering, will 'enjoy' just kicking back consuming sex and food til they get too fat for sex and then die from too much food.

    I spose there's an argument to me made that 'maybe we're better off without those people'... but is AI going to bother to distinguish between the useful and the useless? At a certain point, we're all useless to self-perpetuating machines. The best we could hope for is to be pets...
     
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  14. David Landbrecht

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    In a sense, and somewhat cynically, it could be said that "artificial" would be better than none at all, which is often the way things seem to be run. Going a bit further, though, it might be interesting to share what a friend recently said. He is very highly placed in a company at the forefront of robotics, algorithm development and machine learning. He laughs at the term "artificial intelligence" and literally said, "It does not exist". What we actually have is computers with programs that augment their programming automatically in a way that parodies rather than replicates human intelligence.
    What he "fears" is quantum computing. That, he says, has the potential to go way too far way too fast.
     
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    I know exactly what I am talking about. One of the current AI sites will write responses for you for sites like this one. If you go too far to the right, you get responses from it that say you are off base. In other words, it has a built in bias.

    You comment reminds of the progressive claim that they are more intelligent and better educated than conservatives. Perhaps the progressives have spent more time at the universities, but there are multiple ways to measure intelligence.
     
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    It's really too late. Nothing we think matters. We can only hope for the best at this point.
     
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    I feel it will be used for good and bad.... I think it will change our world, for good or bad... no stopping it now
     
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    AI is a tool, to build new things... and yes, war will fund a lot of it too, designing better bombs, rockets, drones, computers... AND better AI, etc....

    but anyone gets this, even countries like NK, so what they use the tools for... yet to be seen
     
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    the left and the right (and our enemies) will use bots to post on social media, you won't know if a poster is human or not, they will learn human behavior and manipulate it - we will have deep fakes that are as real as real life, you wont be able to trust what you see or hear anymore - bad people will be able to deny any video, recording of them doing bad things, just call it a deep fake

    heck, an AI religion may even come to be, with a cult of followers
     
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    One thing all corporations understand is "bottom line", and the largest recurring expense in just about any company is cost-of-labor. And although robotics involves a lot of initial outlay and constant maintenance, along with AI that needs frequent updating and upgrades, they don't call in sick, don't take vacations, don't need lots of "personal time", have "issues", expect promotions and pay raises, and don't squander lots of time that should be spent actually working and wasting it on personal interests, etc.

    As AI and robotics evolve and become ever more capable, they'll be a huge success, especially with corporation shareholders!
     
  21. JohnHamilton

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    One of the scary things I hear is the IA is far more intelligent than humans. Of course a machine is going to look more intelligent because it has perfect memory recall. I have been writing a notebook on my political items collection on Microsoft Publisher. All I have to do is pull up the file and everything I have written is up in a few seconds, much faster than my brain could recall.

    The dangerous thing is if some crazy thinks that these things would make a great leader, like a president. Oh, you can't contradict it (him, her, whatever) because it is much brighter than we are. WE MUST OBEY!

    That is the road to a George Orwell style government.
     
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    I read one app where it could give us porn where Taytay and Emma Watson do a 3 way with Henry Kissinger . I've got that now.
    We're pets now and always have been
     
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    I think it's an inevitable technological milestone and has great promise to make our lives better, but is also likely to be disruptive, and could be catastrophic. So the desire to regulate it makes sense, but if we don't embrace it, China will. And like many powerful new technologies, the one who embraces it writes the next chapter of history.
     
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    I don't think it will lead to any kind of destruction. It isn't an existential threat, but it will have economic consequences that we need to talk about. But for/against isn't really a question I can regard as making sense. It is coming whether we are for it or against it.
     
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    All of the above. It has the potential to both good and harm, like almost every other technology. I do hope we never develop something that wipes us out, but if we do, I guess we will have earned it. And if we don't, well, the universe will find another way to get rid of us eventually anyway. :)
     

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