Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

Emporia VA along I-95 is the worst.

VA loves speed traps so much that they have made radar detectors illegal and having one in VA can result in being put in jail.

I once exited an Interstate Highway outside of Richmond and was ticketed for making a rolling stop at the end of the exit which had a stop sign. I was stopped by a cop who jumped out from behind a tree in front of my car. As I signed the ticket I said "you have a good location picked" and his response was "it's working good so far." The exit in question was onto a highway that had no traffic whatsoever and approaching the stop sign it was obvious there was no cars within at least a mile. So why a stop sign instead of a yield sign? Obviously, revenue generation.

I suspect that with the traffic stop discussed in this thread the purpose of getting the black man out of his car was to plant illegal drugs during a search of the car. Someone needs to conduct an investigation of every arrest the fired cop has made.

 

False equivalence fallacy. What do these unnamed "thousands of felony stops made every year without incident" have to do with the stop being discussed. The answer is nothing at all.

 

Something that I find odd. Had the lieutenant shot the cop outright as he approach the vehicle with his gun drawn would the hard corps 2nd amendment supporters be defending him? After all he is being approached by men with guns drawn and had committed no crime, not even a moving violation?
Wouldn't the hard corps gun folks not be obliged to defend him? Instead those very same are defending abusive treatment of a law abiding soldier in uniform and saying it's his fault. Is it his fault because he didn't pull out his own gun?
Weird.

 

according to the posse comitatus act, he had no authority and should have known his place.

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia

 

You did NOT quote my full comment therefore you ALTERED it.

Maybe you should visit dictionary.com when you aren't too busy being a bigot.

 

Well dur, that is the whole point. Officers in other stops don't tell their suspect to keep your hands outside the window and get out of the car repeatedly alternating between those two contradictory requests. Other officers don't tell their suspect to reach down into an obscured area. Other officers state why they stopped the car. Other officers don't tell the suspect that he is right to be afraid to exit the car. Thanks for finally understanding the points

 

he was not entitled to obstructing justice, according to black's law dictionary

officer discretion was more important than his feelings at that moment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice

 

Wow a libo lecturing me about civil liberties. That's rich. Not cooperating with the demands of an officer can be grounds for arrest based on obstruction. It depends on the state laws. So no it does not work that way.

In Pennsylvania vs Minns(1977) and Maryland vs Wilson(1997) the supreme court determined that an officer can order a driver or passenger out of a vehicle in a traffic stop.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/434/106/
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/519/408/

 

Black law dictionary is RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So you finally are agreeing that the Police officer was at fault because there was absolutely nothing orderly about his behavior. Cool.

 

Again in my opinion his behavior suggests to me he was bucking for a law suit.

He gets out of the vehicle and just stands there while they repeatedly order him to the ground. He wanted to be physically forced to the ground.

 

it is because he is in the military that he should not be wasting the officers time.

that is ass-backward,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ass-backward

 

He was pulled over because the officers said they couldn’t see his tags. They should have checked his tags, apologized to the Lieutenant and got the fvck out of his face.

 

their pensions transfer to other police departments

paid vacation with biden's handouts for covid

 

bottom line is he responded to police like a thug and got the thug treatment.

the fact he did it in uniform is scandalous

in better times he would be fired.

 

HE should have co-operated, HE should have done as ordered, what sort of Army officer was he? I wonder did he set this up for the payout?

 

He cooperated 100% to the order "keep your hands outside the window"

 

Why should he have done as ordred? Are you one of the Comply or Die folks also? Have you never questioned authority?

So you think he made the police pull him over and act like ****ing *******s just to get a payout?

 

Quick try this out. Close your eyes tight, granted his were closed because of tear gas but this is only a simulation, now drop to the ground keeping your eyes closed tight, no peeking.
Uh huh, not very easy to do, now imagine doing that with yours eyes in pain and being threatened with death for no known reason by a guy with a gun.

 

Yep, only a thug would dare not comply with every command from the government. How dare someone question authroty, what the hell was he thinking.

This is Merica, and you do what the police tell you to do or you DIE! he was very lucky not to be shot, which he would have deserved 300% for daring to ask the police a question.

 

There are two reasons he wasn't shot: 1) He drove to a well lit public place with surveillance cameras in place before stopping, and 2) he recorded/streamed the interaction on his own device.

These two decisions were the best ones he ever made. He made some poor decisions too, but justice will be served in the end.

 

These police officers were not in his chain of command. Why would he follow orders of a couple of cops that were being ridiculous and unreasonable, when they are not in his chain of command and so obviously not acting in a professional manner? I would have told them if they can't tell me what I had done wrong in a respectful manner, then they can go **** themselves. I would have said it with my uniform on too. That uniform represents freedom from authoritarian *******s. I can't think of a better uniform to be in to stand up to authoritarianism. It's land of the free and home of the brave, not home of the meek and land of the oppressed.

 

Why, then, were no charges filed?

 

The facts in this case don't support your position. The fact is, the officer who delivered the "thug treatment" you feel was justified was immediately fired, and the LT, who's behavior you characterize as "scandalous", wasn't charged with anything, and received a public commendation from the highest ranking enlisted man in the US Army for his behavior.

 

You have a very confused view of justice