Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

I was in flight school at Ft Rucker in 1979 living in Ozark Alabama. And we had plenty of black officers, pilots, and command staff. This isn't the 1960s. And we don't have a multitude of blacks being ruffed up and killed by cops. More whites are killed by cops than blacks so spare me the river crying about blacks and police.

All felony stops come with SOP. Remove the driver from the vehicle. Its not a negotiation. You will exit the vehicle and once it is determined no threat exist, then its time for conversation.
Nobody is going to have a conversation with you about ANYTHING until its determined that no danger to the officers exist.

He refused to pull over, They called in a second unit. Once the stop was made, he again brought more suspicion upon himself when he refused to comply with exiting the vehicle.

But you think its proper for a negotiation at that time? You need a reason to comply before you will comply? Then you find out what forced compliance is.

 

That is stretching. Anytime I’ve been pulled over, I slow down and find a safe place to do it, if I can’t pull over immediately. A cop can tell if the driver is attempting to evade or simply looking for a safe place to pull over.

Edit: And a cop can lie about how they viewed the pulling over depending on who the person is.

 

If that is the case, and cops cannot be trusted to use proper judgement in each situation, then the SOP needs to change. It is an abuse of police authority. There should ALWAYS be a negotiation unless bullets are flying or the guy is directly assaulting the cops. It is idiotic SOPs like that which are the problem. Making something an SOP without any regard to actual conditions on the ground is beyond stupid. EVERY case should be subject to a judgement call.

As far as blacks being roughed up by cops, it doesn't matter what the reality is. the perception is that blacks are being roughed up by cops. That is what many, especially minorities believe, so that is what needs to be taken into account.

 

So you were there. You have all the answers. You know what he did and didn't do? Now you're just BSing. You don't have a clue what he did.

But what we do know is the dispatcher called it a felony stop. But you know more than the officers on the scene. So lets all pile on the two officers because the media told you a story.
Forget he refused to comply and start making up excuses for his non compliance and burn the cops at the stake because a racist media always makes it clear how cops all hate blacks and they should all be afraid.

 

I quoted what I found. He didn't elude the police, he stopped in a well-lit area.

 

That isn't reality. Its your made up cartoon world. Nobody is going to make a felony stop without gun in hand and having you exit the vehicle. EVER. So you go ahead and make up the rules as you go. Let me know how that works out for ya.

 

The dispatcher claimed it was a felony stop. I would think they know whats going on better than you do.

 

We already see how it worked out for the cop that didn't use good judgement. So, I would say I'm right, and the cop was wrong. It is what it is.

 

Oh, were you riding along with him, or did you get that from the media claims. The dispatcher said it was a felony stop. They called in a second unit for the stop. Then he refused to comply by exiting the vehicle. But none of that counts because the media told you their own version.

 

So now when a Democrat politician fires the cop for their own political points, you jump right on board.
Now watch the city pay out millions for wrongful termination for the officer following the very SOP they trained him for.

 

Watch the city pay out millions for their mistreatment of a guy who did nothing wrong. A little common sense on the part of the cops could have avoided all of this.

 

He didn't attempt to elude. The police report said he proceeded at an extremely slow speed for about 1 minute until he stopped. There was no felony stop. There was no justification for threat of deadly force. There was no legal justification for use of force of any kind. This was confirmed by the press release from the police chief announcing the termination of the involved officers employment. These dirty cops even tried to make a deal with the LT to not pursue them for excessive force in exchange for them not pressing charges. These are the sort of dirty cops that are getting good cops killed.

Had the LT not had the presence of mind to record this incident on his own device, no one would have likely ever known about this violation of his rights. Everyone should always record their interactions with police, and hold them to account when they act excessively, or outside of their authority.

 

Nice own goal from you. So they ask him to reach down to undo his seat belt, his hand disappearing from view, you know the rest...........And yet you're still defending the officer's actions with garbage excuses

 

Yeah, that cop thought it would not affect him, yet he is fired now. So...

 

The city made their own bed. Now they can suffer the consequences for trying to be politically correct instead of supporting the very officer they trained.
Thats what I love about these Democrat cities. They hold their police in contempt, and when they have no more police, they all scratch their asses when their crime rate goes off the charts. As we are seeing all over these Democrat cities with the mass exodus of their own police forces. You don't want to comply with the orders of the officer, no problem. And if they force you to comply we will fire them and give you money.
Welcome to the Democrat Utopia.

 

That was his own version as well as reported in the media. The dispatcher wasn't there either, just informed by the cops. Clearly not a felony stop, the cops overreacted.

 

No surprise there. Democrat cities all over the US are having the same problem. A mass exodus by their own police forces.
The officer fired will have no problem finding another job in a place that supports their law enforcement while he takes down another Democrat city for millions for wrongful termination.
Good for him.

 

There is a huge difference between supporting police officers and supporting abuse of authority. I am extremely pro law enforcement, and have had nothing but great interactions with them, and have several friends who are police officers that I have great respect for. What is wrong is supporting the actions of police officers that will damage the good name and reputation of all of the other good police officers out there who are doing the right thing. That sort of slavish obedience and love of authority is making life difficult and dangerous for cops everywhere, and giving them a bad name, when it shouldn't be the case.

 

So, you are a comply or else sort of a guy, is that correct?

Nobody should ever question authority, just do what you are told so you do not get gassed or worse.

Is that really what our country has become?

When someone tells a cop they are afraid to get out of their car, is the proper response from the cop "you should be"?

 

I will say, it is interesting that Democrat ideas on gun control (and the bills they introduce) never seem to apply to the police. How can you not trust the cops and also want them way better armed than you?

 

Sorry, I don't need to make up the story as to what happened. The officers knew he has a seat belt. You're just spit balling of what could happen.

 

It seems for many on this forum the police moto needs to be changed from Protect and Serve to Comply or Die

 

If you are dumb enough to argue with cops at the scene, then you get what you get.
I'm an adult so I would comply with the request to exit the vehicle and if they did something inappropriate I would take it up with the judge.

 

LOL Where better than hiding the gun you claim the officer was scared of than between the two front seats out of view from anyone outside but within easy reach. Would you like a bigger shovel?

 

What a good little communist you would make.

Never question authority

Comply or die!