At least 10 dead in mass shooting at Buffalo supermarket

Fortunately those aren't choices you get to make for the rest of us.

When I was an infant we took a day trip to the mountains and stopped at one of my parents’ favorite spots. During our stay a couple bikers rolled in. Dad could tell they were trouble and loaded wife & kid into the car.

During the load up one of the bikers shouted at dad to “hand over summa that [racist/misogynistic slur targeting my Asian mom's genitalia].” Loudmouth wheeled his bike about 5 feet off the back bumper and dismounted. He walked over to the driver’s side window and leaned in to find himself looking down the barrel of a .357. He and his compadre saddled up and rode off.

25 years later I owned a 1965 Plymouth Barracuda. One day I towed it to a building my dad owned where I was going to work on it. As I pulled onto the property there were a couple guys about my age sharing a crack pipe. I rolled down the window and said “Hate to tell you guys, but this is private property and you’ll need to clear off.” They both snarled and cursed. One of them picked up a piece of rebar and both advanced. I let them see my pistol and told them to simmer down. Both men split.

In both instances: no shots fired and nobody hurt. I'm curious to know if you prefer that we had been unarmed on those occasions & if so why.

 

lol right? Funny how that works isn't it. Maybe they just hate babies?

 

Impossible.
New York has - all- the "common sense" gun laws.
Either these laws don't work, or this shooting didn't happen.

 

W/o any rational basis.

Ok. So?

 

This is where I ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in Germany and their lower rate of gun violence.
You will fail to provide a meaningful response.

 

We''re told that "common sense" gun laws will prevent shootings like this.
NY has -all- the 'common sense' laws.
And they failed.

Social media posts do not make someone a "prohibited person" and thus unable to buy a gun.

 

There were dozens of people in the grocery store.
None of them shot back.
Why?

 

1: SYG is not constitutional carry
2: SYG has never been enacted as a means to reduce crime rates.
So... what's your point?

 

This did not make him a 'prohibited person' and therefor was under no disability.
If you have a beef here it's with the NY laws that create such disabilities.

 

Because there's no rational, reasoned argument for the prohibition of same.
Your response will not change this.

 

I would prefer that you avoid those kinds of situations entirely by more application of the precepts of situational awareness. Always be proactively aware of your surroundings and take steps to protect yourself BEFORE you need to. If I have to load my wife and kids into my car we leave in the same movement. If I pull into a place and there are intruders there I leave and call the cops, (that's what I fund them for)

And please don't give me any guff about wanting to catch people yourself and stand them down. You are far more likely to shoot your neighbor's kids than marauding miscreants. The police in my area know me by name and more than one has told me I define what working with them is supposed to mean.

What if the others in these confrontations had been armed themselves? They would be far more likely to be so armed in today's environment than back then

 

No... you would be far more likely to never end up using the gun in any situation.

 

Yes and no. If you're walking down a dark alley it's nice to have a gun. It's even nicer to not be walking down a dark alley. People who carry guns come to rely upon them, but small arms combat is a demanding practice and a perishable skill. If you're willing to put out the time and ONGOING effort required to be a SAFE gun owner and bearer more power to you but I see very few of the gun owners I deal with who are not walking tragedies waiting to happen

 

Tell us:
What's the solution, why do you think it will work, and how does it not violate the constitution?

 

lol that i can agree with. I think avoiding trouble is key.

 

There are nations with far fewer guns and more murders, by gun, or otherwise. Japan has virtually no guns in private hands and a suicide rate just as high as ours. And that cannot be denied.

 

18 year olds are mass shooters? You sure you want to go there?

 

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So much for the "if NY had REAL background checks" argument.

So, if he purchased them in NY, he broke the law.
If he purchased them out of state and brought them into NT, he broke the law.
Thus:
NY's magazine ban does not prevent mass shootings -- but it DOES create an unnecessary and ineffective restriction on the rights of the law abiding.

The AR he bought was legal because it had a fixed 10-rd magazine; as such it was not an 'assault weapon'.
The shooter broke the law by removing the fixed magazine and thus allowing the use of a detachable magazine.
Thus:
NY's 'assault weapon' ban does not prevent mass shootings -- but it DOES create an unnecessary and ineffective restriction on the rights of the law abiding.

 

Have you ever studied the kind of suicide most Japanese people think is "proper"? It's a LOT easier to just go on living but a surprising number do it anyway. One more reason that maybe it's not best to have an overly stern society

 

look familiar?

 

The reality is that most mass shooters are not white guys, despite the narrative presented by MSM outlets. It's almost comical watching media outlets and "researchers" try to carefully parse definitions of "mass shooting" to try to exclude as many gang-banger drive-bys, rich and vibrant block parties that get out of hand, etc. as possible.

 

We are there.

And it's extremist gun advocates that have brought us hence.

 

It's almost as if they have a narrative to push.

 

It deliberely ends the life of an unborn child. That's depriving them of their right to life, and your "doesn't kill people" is based on the sickening idea that the unborn child is not a person. You sound exactly as depraved and evil as someone who would claim that slavery doesn't deprive "people" of rights because you're using some twisted and narrow definition of "people" solely to dehumanizing and discount the victims of your crimes against humanity.

 

What is your evidence that we were not situationally aware? In my dad’s case, the bad guys arrived after he & mom had set up the picnic. His 1st instinct was to get out of Dodge & was denied the option. UNTIL he brandished his weapon.

In my confrontation, it would’ve been 50-50 at best whether I could’ve fled safely towing an old Plymouth behind a Ford Ranger on a 2-track dirt road.

“Guff” that was never stated, suggested, implied, or alluded to. Project much? Or is lying about someone you’ve never met just one of your debating techniques?

Then we’d have been armed too, giving us a fighting chance while being outnumbered 2 to 1.

Fascinating that you didn’t answer the question: would you prefer that we had been unarmed?