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Atheism isn't protected by the 1st Amendment

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by SpaceCricket79, Aug 26, 2012.

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  1. Truthist

    Truthist New Member

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    WTF is your major malfunction?!? Freedom of speech is NOT limited to religious speech. What gave you the idea that it is?
     
    Truthist, Aug 27, 2012
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  2. cassandrabandra

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    how are christmas trees a symbol of christianity?

    why should they upset atheists?
     
    cassandrabandra, Aug 27, 2012
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  3. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Point missed, you have

    CGIYoda.jpg
     
    SpaceCricket79, Aug 27, 2012
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  4. thebrucebeat

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    This is simply ignorance of the First Amendment. Atheism is protected under the freedom of speech clause in the amendment. It doesn't require any claims of being a religion to be protected.
    This is a silly premise as an OP.
     
    thebrucebeat, Aug 27, 2012
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  5. rstones199

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    [video=youtube;tD4q3leE5Uw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD4q3leE5Uw[/video]

    Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Pure and simple.
     
    rstones199, Aug 27, 2012
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  6. MAYTAG

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    LOL... Too bad the pencil necked geeks from the Left don't have it in them.
     
    MAYTAG, Sep 2, 2012
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  7. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    Religious freedom must also include the right to not be religious.
     
    Daggdag, Sep 2, 2012
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  8. youenjoyme420

    youenjoyme420 New Member

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    I have two responses...

    1) freedom of speech would protect atheism regardless of its status as a religion.

    2) 1st ammendment aside, would you support the suppression of thought?
     
    youenjoyme420, Sep 2, 2012
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  9. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    No I really don't care if atheists want to be atheists - I just find it ironic that they insist it's "not a religion" but claim 1st Amendment protection - how can they have it both ways?
     
    SpaceCricket79, Sep 2, 2012
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  10. youenjoyme420

    youenjoyme420 New Member

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    Because the first ammendment doesn't deal solely with religion. It also deals with speech. More specifically, freedom of speech. As I said before, freedom of speech is able to protect atheism regardless of whether it is a religion or not.
     
    youenjoyme420, Sep 2, 2012
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  11. Rain

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    I think the answer to your question lies in the first phrase of the first amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Disallowing atheism would be tantamount to establishing religion.
     
    Rain, Sep 2, 2012
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  12. AnonymouslyMe

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    What in the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you talking about? Only speech related to religion is protected by the 1st? Have you lost your mind or something?
     
    AnonymouslyMe, Sep 2, 2012
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  13. lizarddust

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    How can anyone ban Atheism? Tell me that?
     
    lizarddust, Sep 2, 2012
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  14. lizarddust

    lizarddust Well-Known Member

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    And hasn't the VW been successful. What's your point?
     
    lizarddust, Sep 2, 2012
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  15. lizarddust

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    I'm an Atheist and I don't claim 1st Amendment protection.


    What's your point?
     
    lizarddust, Sep 2, 2012
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  16. robini123

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    Kool, so get busy banning it. Good luck with your exercise in futility.

    I fail to see the correlation. Is the DNC a religion? Their freedom of speech is protected by the 1st Amendment... how about the RNC, they a religion?

    Useing the 1st Amendment to stifle speech is just ridiculous IMO.
     
    robini123, Sep 2, 2012
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  17. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    I don't want to ban it - I was just saying that if it's not a religion, then how could atheists prevent anyone from banning it? When they insist on 1st Amendment rights, they're basically admitting it's a religion.

    Plus I've seen multiple threads by atheists suggesting to ban religion, so this thread serves as balance.
     
    SpaceCricket79, Sep 2, 2012
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  18. robini123

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    I have never looked at atheism as a religion. I have never seen an atheist Church or its equivalent. Are there special laws that protect atheism over Christianity? Doing a general google of the phrase "Is atheism a religion?" pulls up a lot of opinions but no official stance by the U.S. Government.

    And what does it matter? IMO it does not matter if a person is an atheist, a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, or whatever... so long as they do not try to force their ideology on me or try to make me live my their rules.
     
    robini123, Sep 2, 2012
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  19. AnonymouslyMe

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    Why do you keep insisting that the 1st Am only protects religious speech?
     
    AnonymouslyMe, Sep 2, 2012
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  20. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    That's what happens when people have one track minds.
     
    The Wyrd of Gawd, Sep 2, 2012
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  21. thebrucebeat

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    Do you understand that this argument has been thoroughly debunked? That you have been shown to be making a very, very silly argument?
    Why do you keep repeating it? Are you handicapped mentally in some way? I'm simply trying to understand you.
     
    thebrucebeat, Sep 2, 2012
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  22. KSigMason

    KSigMason Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    I'm not sure if I can stand by what the OP proposed.
     
    KSigMason, Sep 3, 2012
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  23. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Wasn't a proposal as much as a "what if" situation.
     
    SpaceCricket79, Sep 3, 2012
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    Decorated trees are actually PAGAN (Yule) symbols just like the Yule Log is. The whole concept of Christmas in December was merely a way to get Pagans to convert to Christianity by making Christ's birth the same time as many pagan gods (Yule being the death and rebirth holiday for many pagan traditions). Biblical scholars already admit that with the details given in the bible that the real birth was more likely around August.
     
    NavyIC1, Sep 3, 2012
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  25. Daggdag

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    Christian is based on the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. It was 12 days from mid to late December, and celebrated lawlessness and freedom. All laws were suspended and courts were not held.

    When Rome was coverted to Christianity, the Roman Pagans were promised that the holiday would still be allowed. Church leaders proclaimed that Christ was born on December 25th, the last day of Saturnalia in order to connect it to Christianity.

    jesus was actually born some time in fall, around September.
     
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