Atheism V's Theism.

This isn't propaganda, Neutral. Everybody sees what you do and nobody likes it except the extreme bigoted (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s on this forum that hate gays and Jews. You just stroll into a conversation and never actually address any issue besides "MAN, I REALLY LOATHE DEM ATHEISTS". Anytime somebody is having a decent conversation, we can expect you to jump in about how atheists suck, have no standards, believe in magic (I'm still baffled by this one), and that they are making Christians look bad so they should stop.

The last point is especially funny since you can't recognize that there is a difference between a religion with a holy book that advocates some pretty horrible things (which is probably the main gripe everybody has on this forum) and a position that says "Uh... well, that's probably all bull(*)(*)(*)(*) since there isn't any evidence for a God".

Yes, Neutral, we realize atheists and Christians can do some terrible things. We know. Do you think that we just don't know Stalin or Mao existed? The difference is that Christianity can justify the atrocities and atheism can't. How does the position that there is no God lead to mass murder? It doesn't. That takes other hijacking of philosophies like Communism. Just like you can't justify mass murder by solely being a theist, but you can by pointing to specific parts of holy books.

This isn't propaganda, these are pretty easy things to just sit around and realize.

 

Didn't you just cry about me reporting you to the mods? Very hypocritical.

 

No, I complained about you ganging up behind the scences with a bunch of other atheists, to deliberately flame bait and report the results in total and utter hypocrisy.

The result of which, I have concluded that tolerating atheist violations of the forum only feeds the problem you were a part of.

Clarified for you? Because you were an innocent victim, and just could not abide acknowledging what the criticism was to getin a cheap personal pot shot?

Logic for you.

 

Yes, Neutral, it was a huge conspiracy. All of us forum atheists gathered around in our annual meeting and decided to get you banned (you fail to mention that I was also banned for calling you names) and am constantly getting in trouble with the mods as well because I'm sick of dealing with your bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

You always chime in with that sort of thing, insisting that there are Christians and other religionists who aren't young earth creationists, as though that were news to me or anyone else. We all know that there are theists who accept evolution - you don't need to keep interrupting threads to remind us of that, thanks.

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Anyway, like I was saying, theists will attack evolution blindly, not being in full possession of the facts which support it. They just know they hate the idea of it, because it takes away from their divine creator and their own special status as non-animals. They don't want to be direct relatives of chimps, cats, birds, lizards, bugs, cacti and even bacteria and viruses. I'm just not sure why that's a bother to them, though.

 

What's this? Now you're a conspiracy theorist as well? What atheists have been conspiring against you "behind the scenes"? As if anyone had to do anything much beyond simply posting in the Religion section to set you off..

 

Which is why he has to be a troll. I just can't see anybody actually thinking these things, unless they are not right in the head (which I don't like suggesting, but it is always a possibility).

 

Yeah, it's hard to say.

Anyway, I look forward to exchanging ideas at our next Atheist Bully Association meeting!

 

Listen up atheist, this is a debate forum, and the idea that your pecious atheism is beyond criticism is stupid. Assinine. Pointless.

So instead of violating the forum rules to launch another personal attack, how about you shore up your arguementation in support of the atheism you chose and were not forced into?

If not, then perhaps a debate forum is just not the place for you.

Seriously, you have gone from calling me a hypocrite, to threatening me with organized flame bait again? Grow up.

 

Not sure you get away from long odds via a god that just happens to exist as a designer who wanted and was able to make us and everything else the way it happens to be god would require its own improbable order to just happen to have such ability’s and quirks
God as a dumb blob or apathetic or desiring something different in many ways gives you a lot of just as likely alternative possibility’s to what is. So you still have astronomical odds against things as they are
And without any pressures a gods desires make less sense then human ones shaped by a crucible of natural selection

We have reasons behind senses of morality and concern born out of what manages to survive and thrive a being that just happens to exist and is in no danger of ceasing to doesn’t

Also god doesn’t add a different ultimate point to are lives, we exist because that’s how things are is no more or less meaning full then we exist because that’s how god wanted us to be because that’s how things are . In both cases what is, only is because that’s how things happen to be
Going back to human traits people that wanted the human race to continue or contributed to its continuation probably continued to exist and make more such people then those who didn’t care about survival community survival or reproduction

Cooperation has its benefits more people generally survive in groups and in groups that care for one another compassion Is probably generally useful. Take the caring for the sick and injured it’s probably more beneficial to try and heal someone who may be useful then to let them die and faster than finding a replacement or producing one from scratch or by going throng life mostly alone or with fewer helpful companions and your likely to have improved odds at reproduction if others do the same for you in turn
You don’t even need to think of it that way so long as your feelings and behaviors lead to generally self-selecting results in this case the creation of more people who act a certain way that improves there odds of making more people that act in that certain way
Faith in universal morality has not produced universal morality you can still have your own version as long as you believe yours is the right one.

Religion or not people can still ban together by what they think is right or wrong and you can base that on shared desires and reasoning on how to meet said desires

Personal faith in a widely held alleged divine morality doesn’t give that code of morality most of its influence the combined might of the coalition of people who share that similar faith it is the source of most of that influence and that goes for secular and subjective forms of morality to


I’m someone who has some ability to think about what he wants and doesn’t want and who has some ability to think about what others want and don’t want and the arguments others use to justify what they want and don’t want. That’s who I am to disagree with you or anyone else even if that ends in stalemate. Which is a result also reached by people with opposing ideas about universal or divine morality.
Though to anyone who thinks something is right or wrong based on their unshakable faith in there god kings decrees regardless of whether the god exists or not regardless of its nature no matter how evil I personally find it im just one thing no matter what I say or whatever the alleged divinity allegedly says wrong.

 

Yep, that is what I claimed. After all when you publically call for my banning and then reported a sarcastic rebuttal to using Wolverine as a refference point, with a few other atheists, its not happening? Because a dishonest atheist cannot acknowledge fault? Pathetic.

Really did enjoy those personal PM's you sent me attempting to excuse just the bahevior you now deny. Truely Pathetic.

 

Yep, that is where you will learn how to further enhance your victim status by thinning your skin even further to the idea that theist is a general term not really applicable to Creationism.

And rather than acknowledge a simply point, we have to more atheists attempting a public smear fest, while denying they are doing it? Atheists do have a tendancy to have difficulty with reality ...

 

I'd say do the math. God makes more sense than anything else at this point. Think on it for a second. The odds of big bang out or freaking nowhere, happens, then we end up with masses across the universe, some become planets, then later out of pure chance the proper elements exist for a chemical reaction to perhaps happen, which then sparks the most base concept of life, then the most basic forms of life, which still exist today, evolved to more complex life, without bothering to explain why the most basic forms didn't but something else did.... Hmm... It doesn't make sense. Why would there still be single cell organisms if they could evolve? Even if that could be explained the one thing that can't is humanity, the thing that makes us more than beasts, our ability to think, reason, communicate, and adapt on levels no other creature on Earth can or will... God is more reasonable at the moment, that makes a lot more sense than the astronomical odds it would take for humanity to exist...

 

Please tell me the odds because I think you're just pulling it out of your arse.

 

Yes, let's all do the math. You start, and please show your work so we can all follow along.

 

Just another case of someone thinking that they're so smart and can't work it out so it must be impossible.

 

People who do that aren't really theists at all; but of course if you encounter a theist who doesn't do that, you'll fabricate some reason to believe he does anyway.

 

I didn't call for your banning, I called for people to ignore you because you were/are losing your mind. Sometimes I mentioned that you broke the rules and that you should've been banned, so if that is what you are defining as "calling for you to be banned", then sure, I guess I was. But, it seems to be that you are implying that I and the other atheists on this forum met in a dark alley where we planned your eviction or that I created a thread which stated "Hey, let's ban this guy!" This just shows my far you've lost it when you claim that we are conspiring against you behind your back. And once again, you again fail to take note that I was banned as well. Seriously, just settle down for like five minutes before losing yourself in crazy-town.

Grow up, old man, and go seek professional help.

 

How is "there isn't enough evidence to back up a belief either way on the issue of God" not enough shoring up of argumentation?

 

Wait, I'm confused. Did you miss a word there?

 

Well, he seemed to be implying that I went around saying "Hey, let's work together here and get this guy banned!" which isn't what happened, I have obviously mentioned that he had broken the rules of the forum and that by that standard he should be banned. But it was never a "rally around the flag" conspiracy that he seems to be implying it was. Thanks for pointing that out, it was a confusing statement.

 

Can you prove that Socrates was a real person (man or woman)? Please do show the proof of a claim that he/she was a real person.

 

Wolverine isn't an atheist, so he's not even in the club

 

Chew on this: It's theists who attack evolution. I challenge you to find a creationist who is not a theist.

 

How would you know what the odds are concerning the big bang "out of freaking nowhere"? Speaking of doing the maths, I think you'd better consider doing just that, though you know it's going to take a lot of hard study of mathematics and physics to prepare for that..