Atheist Group Seeks to Block Star of David on Holocaust Memorial

until recently Christians fought tooth and nail to keep Wiccams from being able to put their symbol on the Wiccan's soldiers that gave their life for this country - all or none applies here, you either allow all people to put their loved ones religious symbol or no one is allowed

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhu...lington-and-why-litigation-was-necessary.html

"“Since its addition in 2007 to a list of recognized tombstone icons, the pentacle has begun popping up on grave markers at Arlington and other government cemeteries alongside crosses, Stars of David and Muslim crescents."

 

Well he produced a Nazi Bible, and rewrote the 10 commandments, plus added a couple for good measure

 

But see there you find the problem is crossing the line of the first amendment. And sadly highlight the hypocritical position of some

 

http://creation.com/hitler-bible

 

just like Christmas doesn't endorse Christianity, the statue of liberty does not endorse paganism, both have become so secular that neither is a violation of the constitution

in the case of this article, I do not believe a memorial of the holocaust endorses Judaism, it's more a reminder of a horrible time in history that should never be repeated

 

Well, it kind of is.

You see, it is a question of constitutionality, and I do live under teh Constitution, and would hate to see it violated.

 

Only to people who don't understand the Constitution. The rest of us know it's nunayer damn bidness.

 

I have to disagree.

If you want to put a big religious symbol on your property, you go for it. If you want to put o a big religious symbol on government property, then it becomes a matter of my business. You see, it slap the face of the constitution.

So don;t sit there and tell me it is none of my business. I have heard that several times in this thread, and repetition will not make you right.

 

You don't see the difference in connotation between displaying a religious symbol from an existing religion versus one that is effectively extinct?

 

People are looking to remove religious symbols. Who is to judge what is an active religion and what is not. There are pyramids to this day that have offerings to the Pharaoh/God associated with it. Does this mean US bank notes should be remodeled?

I am simply saying we include all religious symbols, or none. We cant pick and choose what should be removed, otherwise we end up no more tolerant than competing groups wanting to remove other religion's symbols from various places

 

I am an atheist. I am not in favor of government sponsored religious displays.

That being said- if the purpose of this display is to remember a historical event- and a religious symbol is linked with that event- it seems to me to be absolutely appropriate.

 

Believe me, I completely understand your compulsion to defend your mythology.

Actually I cannot possibly see that, because it's pure drivel.

I know it's an unpleasant truth to people who have bought into the particular parcel of lies that you have, but your discomfiture on that account is hardly my problem.

To be sure. What makes me right is the plain fact that the state action referred to in the OP violates the Constitution in neither letter nor spirit.

 

People aren't simply looking to remove religious symbols, though. They're looking to ensure that there is not even the hint of possibility that government is endorsing one religion over others. No reasonable person could think that an extinct religion is being endorsed through the use of its symbols. However, reasonable individuals could think that an active religion is being endorsed when its symbols appear on government property.

 

The best sentence I ever heard in this context came from the father of Joachim Fest, the first man who was able to write a biography of Hitler. His father said during the times of Hitler: "Hitler is such a good liar that even the opposit of his lies is a lie again". As far as I know Hitler for example never murdered anyone personally - nevertheless he was one of the worst mass-murderers the world ever had seen. The sad thing: Meanwhile the people had enough time to find out what was really going on - but lots try only to misuse the victims of the Holocaust for their own stupid political propaganda - and I have sometimes the feeling their propaganda follows not a higher ethics than the propaganda of Hitler and his gang. The problem today: We have to "know" a Holocaust before it happens, otherwise we are lost. Today teh governemtns have much more possibilities than Hitler once had so there could happen today a kind of Turbo-Holocaust. The problem is maybe to be able to live with the warnings of the Holocaust becasue no one with a free mind likes to move in this wrong direction. And to live with the warnings of the Holocaust means for sure not someone should not be happy. Why should Americans not be happy if they see a holocaust memorial? That's a reason to be proud and happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg7UkvCwOKA

 

Take a a look at the so called "Deutsche Christen" then you will find some informations about. Jesus was in general in some "interpretations" not a Jew but a kind of aryan Siegfried with a sword in his hands. Hitler forced all churches for example to have to show the "german" flag with the Swastica and so on and so on ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10x5pIUqdRc

 

The only people who died in WWII were 6 million Jews and a few Nazis. I read that all the time so it must be true.

 

Who's the dummy who wants to build a holocaust memorial dedicated to European Jews in the Ohio statehouse? That doesn't even make sense. At that rate we will have one on every American street corner by the end of the century.

 

If they want a memorial build it in Israel or in Germany. It's not part of American history and it certainly doesn't belong in any statehouse.

 

By the way, Nazi - since when are american Nazis part of the american history? You are a joke of history, aren't you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLzZ1zlkGo

 

America Nazis have been part of American history since the early 1930s.

This is an interesting video with tons of archival film.
Nazi America A Secret History
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV7SaPYUGJ0

 

Lines in the sand are not real history.

 

Lines in the sand are more real than ethnocentric Jewish religious and political fairy tales.

 

Okay, how is Hitler related to the Deutsche Christen and how is forcing a flag to be flown by churches (which isn't on that Wiki page) perverting Christianity?

 

If the USA would like to become a nation of Nazis then the world would be lost. The world would not survive a war with the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Z-4H39BCM

 

The US is not an unified country like Germany was before WWII. I'm not sure a large percentage of common people have that much blind loyalty to such an idea.