Australia whats up with this?

Because one off are logical fallacies i.e. "My Ice cream is blue therefore all ice-creams are blue. Truth lies in gaining a random sampling of ice-creams and counting how many of the total are blue. And yes there is a question of veracity. Did you not read the research from Harvard? How many of those cases were REALLY from your area? (and sorry if I bust a bubble of belief in journalistic integrity but journalists have been caught posting email myths as "truth"- debunked email myths)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/13/nra-news-promotes-dubious-acts-of-self-defense/197555

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/the-self-defense-self-delusion/

That is correct because there are too many variables not the least of which is memory of events (and I am betting when you actually get to find all of those there are NOT 36) and journalistic (or rather lack of) integrity

Because of the source - it is not a newspaper article - it from the APA. Secondly it is easily verifiable from multiple sources including your version of Hansard (official transcripts of the governmental decisions). It is not conspiracy but as solid as any facts relating to political decision making can be.

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/30/former_nra_point_man_recants/

 

One has to wonder if the anti-gun aussies get it in light on new information.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2225517/posts

Then we have the United States, Gun sales and ownership up, violent crimes down. WOW even the most unrelenting gun control loyal government servant would get the picture here.....eh?

 

Please provide a source to support your assertion that the recent increase in gun sales was related to an overall increase in the number of gun owners, rather than a shrinking number of gun owners possessing more firearms....eh?

 

Let's start with women...then after you take your.....Nah not even the LOL.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/02/05/industry-responds-to-growing-number-of-women-gun-owners/

I as a CCH instructor am seeing a lot of ladies that are first time gun owners taking my class. You always seem to lose when you challenge me eh?

 

And what percentage of the increase in firearm sales does this relate to? You seem to be avoiding actually answering the question.

1) Someone taking a class for the first time does not mean they haven't been a firearm owner for some time.
2) Psychologist's fallacy
3) Once again, please illustrate that this is a significant percentage of the increase in firearm sales.

Debating some issues is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't seem to matter how well you adhere to the rules, or how skillful a chess player you may be; the pigeon will just knock over all the pieces, crap all over the board, and strut around like he's proven something.

Your post is that of a pigeon. Par for the course.

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And what percentage of the increase in firearm sales does this relate to? You seem to be avoiding actually answering the question.

1) Someone taking a class for the first time does not mean they haven't been a firearm owner for some time.
2) Psychologist's fallacy
3) Once again, please illustrate that this is a significant percentage of the increase in firearm sales.

Debating some issues is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't seem to matter how well you adhere to the rules, or how skillful a chess player you may be; the pigeon will just knock over all the pieces, crap all over the board, and strut around like he's proven something.

Your post is that of a pigeon. Par for the course.

 

And what percentage of the increase in firearm sales does this relate to? You seem to be avoiding actually answering the question.

1) Someone taking a class for the first time does not mean they haven't been a firearm owner for some time.
2) Psychologist's fallacy
3) Once again, please illustrate that this is a significant percentage of the increase in firearm sales.

Debating some issues is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't seem to matter how well you adhere to the rules, or how skillful a chess player you may be; the pigeon will just knock over all the pieces, crap all over the board, and strut around like he's proven something.

Your post is that of a pigeon. Par for the course.

 

LOL I answered your question .... start with that eh. When you get that part answered then we'll talk...errr maybe not...I realized why I gave up on you...you try to bat people down with pure google ranger responses. Let's forget I ever got back to talking to you eh?

 

I asked you to provide a source illustrating that the recent increase in gun sales (which occurred on a national level) was related to new gun owners, rather than primarily due to existing gun owners buying a second (or third, or fifteenth) weapon.

You provided an article from a dubious source highlighting that there has been an increase (no stats provided) in female gun owners. You did not illstrate that this was a significant driver of the national increase in sales.

I'm sure you'd love to forget you responded with something assinine (second "s" provided intentionally) eh?

 

The hits just keep on coming...
http://www.worldpublicunion.org/201...n-gun-ban-resulted-in-higher-crime-rates.html

The video is very informative....eh?

 

Good lord....Why would the US want to follow this...eh?
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/hey-australia-hows-that-gun-ban-working.html

You people need to worry about your own country first...sheesh!!!!

 

Gun ownership is up in Australia. Record number of firearms are owned by the public.

 

Why...if the law buying back arms from citizens is working to reduce crime is gun ownership up?

 

Because it wasn't to stop people owning guns, it was to remove certain firearms.

 

Yes, like all centerfire rifles, semi-auto shotguns, pump shotguns that hold more than 5 shells, and most handguns. Most of those require a person convince the govt he has a "need" for such a firearm, and for most people your "need" is never enough for the govt.

Even to own a 22 rifle (not semi-auto) or single shot shotgun requires permission from the govt.

The surge has been in ILLEGAL gun ownership, not in gun ownership by people who obey the gun laws/bans. Guns used by organized crime groups has surged over the past 7 years. Illegal guns owned by otherwise law abiding people have probably increased as well, but its hard to know. Crime in Australia surged tremendously when the gun control went into effect in 1996, and violent crime is still 33% above the 1995 pre-ban rate. Homicide initially increased (up 16% by 2001) but is now below pre-ban levels, and firearm crime decreased, but total violent crime (mainly rape, assault with serious injury, robbery) increased.

The nation was disarmed, made helpless before the criminals, crime surged, and now people are looking to defend themselves.

 

No, legal gun ownership is at record highs in Australia.

You don't know wtf you're on about because all you do is jerk off to NRA vids.

 

I don't have solid data on firearms ownership rates for AUS. "record highs" is meaningless without numbers.

As to the crime data, it comes directly from the Australian Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4530.0

AUS suffered a crime wave starting in 1996, it peaked in 2001, and is still on-going. Violent crime (homicide, rape, robbery, assault with serious bodily injury) was 717 per 100,000 people in 1995, it rose to 1016 in 2001, and was 960 in 2009. Rape went from 72 pre-ban, to 95 in 2001, to 86 in 2009. Even murder increased from 3.63 pre-ban, to 4.2 to 2.0 in 2012.

Note the magnitude of the numbers. AUS started with a fairly low homicide rate, 3.63, most Western industrialized nations are <4, many are <3. AUS is at about 2.0 today. In exchange for a drop of 1.63 per 100,000 people, AUS increased other violent crimes by the 100's - those are people raped, beaten severely, and/or robbed.

Those are the facts, from your own government.

 

What certain firearms? Why certain firearms and why is violent crime rising?
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/341-360/tandi359/view paper.html
http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Polit/gunsFraser.html

You know all we get is "it's working , it's working. All I see is...it isn't and gun ownership is up for a reason....eh?

 

And we still have not had the gun slaughter rate America has - there has to be a reason and I think some of it is twofold. One is the mandating of gun safes and the second is intolerance of armaments on the streets

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A six year old report? Really? Should I throw it a birthday party?

 

Now I know you aren't reading those stats correctly because we do not keep records of rape - we keep records of "sexual assault" which can mean anything from a "feel up" to kissing without permission

Oh! and Guys - don't "Goose" a woman in Australia the sexual assault laws WILL have you in jail!

 

Australia's recording of assaults has a lower tolerance as well. If I give you an evil eye and you complain it's recorded as an assault.

 

Don't you just love it when people try to play "creative statistics" and then shoot themselves in the foot? And you KNOW that they are being disingenuous when they only link to the home site for the statistics and not for individual pages that would support the claims

 

Actually, once again, you are wrong. Australia uses the top level category of "sexual assault" to include the following sub categories (from the AUS crime glossary):

Sexual assault includes:
&#9632;any actual or attempted forced sexual activity such as rape, attempted rape or indecent assault (e.g. being touched inside clothing or intentional rubbing of genitals against the victim)
&#9632;assault with the intent to sexually assault
&#9632;incidents that occurred at the victim&#8217;s place of work.

Sexual assault excludes sexual harassment that did not involve or lead to an actual assault.​

In the post you mentioned, since I was only referring to Australia's increased crime rates, its moot semantics. Crime in Australia skyrocketed after the gun bans went into effect - including sexual assault. You should know that by now, I've given you the links repeatedy.

 

And I notice you are STILL not showing exactly where you are getting those statistics - and BTW - proven nothing because I stand by my assertion rape is not shown on the AIC as a separate entity and sexual assault can and does include sexually inappropriate behaviour

If you want to prove your assertions link to specific pages

 

Again? I gave you the link, and you were the one who got all huffy and declared you were going to go through the reports and check my numbers. Remember?

And the fact remains that AUS crime of all types - violent crime, assault with serious bodily injury, robbery, sexual assault, kidnapping, blackmail - increased dramatically when the gun bans went into effect in 1996. Even murder increased from 1996-2004. Most are still way above the pre-ban rates.

 

You only gave a link to the ABS home - not to the specific data sets

LOLS - note no link to THAT myth&#8230;..

Actually you are wrong on TWO counts - firstly because Australia did not "ban" guns and secondly because the crime rate did not go up





Victims of violent crime has actually trended down
http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vicViolentRate.html