Ban abortion nationwide and thence MAGA --> MAASHCA

I sincerely applaud your wife's societal contributions; and your treatise touched my heartstrings. I still do support a woman's right to abortion in the first two trimesters, per Roe v Wade. You emphasized that women who get abortions ofttimes live to regret it. This is understandable, considering that post-puberty the urge to procreate is the strongest of all natural urges. But regardless of your gender or how you live your life, everyone winds up with some notable deep regrets, muttering to themselves "woulda shoulda coulda" about one thing or another. And a woman still needs a doctor's permission to proceed with her termination. That may not constitute a preeminent hurtle, but it is a guardrail of sorts.

 

You weren't making a genuine point in your OP?

 

Of course I was! I was pointing out the irony of Trumpian Republicans wanting to overthrow RvW seeming to be diametrically opposed to their slogan, Make America Great Again.

 

Well do you endorse that slogan?

 

No matter your philosophical, religious, or political views on abortion, the actual experience affect women not only on a personal level but usually has psychological repercussions. Its a bit more than a bad decision. Its at the same level as PTSD. In fact they call it PASS for Post Abortion Stress Syndrome. Conversely, at times women may feel compelled not to follow through with a pregnancy under pressure from a husband, boyfriend, or family member. In any case, it is usually thought of as a solution to stressful circumstances.

I do support a womans right to choose but not past 1st trimester. After that they are selling body parts. Its a very cruel business if you ask me.

Another fallacy with the pro choice crowd is the idea that rape is somehow a factor in abortion but they don't factor in its relevance. Meaning, in the 30 years my wife has been involved, she has only seen one. And that one was involving a boyfriend.

Their are other factors not publicly known on the subject as well. The abortion pill. If it works properly its very painful. Much much worse than cramps. When it doesn't work properly it only aborts a portion of the fetus and they have to come back for an abortion after taking it.

Planned Parenthood is another problem. They will give abortions for money when women are not pregnant. Sounds crazy, right. But a lot of times (More than you care to guess) women will test positive but its a tubular pregnancy. So they go get an abortion, when they were never pregnant, then deal with the aftermath of having an abortion for the rest of their lives. PP doesn't give a s---.

The pregnancy center has stopped thousands of abortions of women who were never pregnant in the first place. They offer free sonograms to check the status of your pregnancy to verify a woman is actually pregnant so they can make an informed decision. About 15% find out they are not actually pregnant and cancel their abortions.

So in the unheard reality that isn't usually public knowledge, any post abortion counselor will tell you, most women who want an abortion, never had one, and most women who have had an abortion, regrets their decision. That isn't me being an advocate for making abortions illegal, its just the fall out of the industry. While I do feel for the women who have made that choice, (which my wife and I are guilty of as well 39 years ago) I do support their right to choose.

In our case we were not married, and I was just accepted to flight school (US Army) and was leaving for basic, and at 4 weeks pregnancy, we just couldn't rationalize having a baby in the mist of my training and being gone for a year and a half. But I can tell you (for her) its something she will never get over. No mater how its justified.
Which lead her to her profession of choice.

I could go on for hours about stories of women and their families but it would be good for the political arena to know this kind of information. Yet the division of this country just won't allow it. This country has fallen to political rhetoric and to be honest, I don't see a pathway back.

 

No. Bolivia is a greater country than USA. 'Just kidding. I do not espouse zealous national pride. Hitler did so and look where it led. Russia, China, England, Italy, Japan ...no matter what country you cite, that sort of zeal is misplaced and moronic and dangerous. That remains my view.

 

Well the overthrowing of Roe v Wade would be diametrically opposed to your worldview, correct?

 

Most European nations have more restrictive abortion laws than the United States and have had for decades.

 

I would readily support that as a suitable compromise. I am certainly against cruelty in any form. Again, I heartily thank you for your substantial and highly illuminating contribution herein!

 

There are several overlapping issues here, so it's complex. There is the obvious distain for stare decisis which rubs the wrong way. There is the issue of Ginni Thomas's unfair influence, coupled with her husband's recusal refusal (that mostly involving disparate matters). There is the betrayal of justices who are now wavering from sentiment they expressed at their confirmation hearings. I don't like apparent corruption in the supreme court. At the time RvW was ruled there was strong bipartisan support for it. I also want to mention that I have modified my view based on posts to this thread by chris155au and so I would now support cutting the time frame of RvW in half, to just the 1st trimester. So no, not diametrically.

 

Cool

 

Its refreshing to hear a poster on PF has an open mind about political issues.
Not a common theme here but very appreciated all the same.
It was a pleasure having that discussion with you

 

Are you being serious? You realise that's me, right?

 

oops!! excuuuuse me

 

What the hell did I say to lead you to modify your view?

 

"I do support a woman's right to choose but not past 1st trimester. After that they are selling body parts. Its a very cruel business if you ask me." So it got me thinking that ten weeks is a lot less than 20 weeks but significantly more than 6 weeks (the Texas law), and in order to avoid much contention it was a palatable compromise.

 

I think he was responding to my post #31

 

No wait. A trimester is 13 weeks not 10. I know I won't be forgiven but I am advanced in age and have been toiling much too hard doing certain domicile remodeling added to which I may be losing it fast in my old age. So ... lots of mistakes ... lots and lots. 'Sorry!

 

Yeah, that 'distinction' was a stretch

 

That's great that you can change your mind and admit it! But I can't take credit for it, because I didn't say that. That's a pro-choice position and I'm pro-life. You must have me confused with someone else.

 

The urge to procreate, or the urge to have sex?

 

What do you make of this: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/12/opinion/crisis-pregnancy-centers-roe.html

 

I couldn't read it. Its behind a pay wall. do you have another link I could read

 

Oh, strange, because I could read it on my iPad but after trying it on my desktop I can't read it!

 

If you can just give me the headline I can find it somewhere else.
Very interested in your question