Banks Are Devising Ways to ID Mass Shooters Before They Strike

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    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    And just in terms of reading comprehension, do you understand how saying "access to getting a gun in America is easy" is pretty much the opposite of saying "in America today, access to guns is nearly nonexistent" (which is what you posted earlier)?
     
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    It is a Craigslist for weapons, as long as it is within the State it is a private sale, and the only requirement is that the buyer/seller agree to follow applicable laws. Haven’t you ever bought anything on Craigslist or similar type sites?
     
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    Do not law enforcement agencies approaching a Court to remove weapons or stop access to weapons under Red Flag laws employ background information and histories in their case? So, how does it not apply?

    I noticed you don’t exchange on content, rather deflect with personal responses
     
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    It's a Craigslist, where you have to have the gun you bought shipped to an FFL dealer and you can pick it up upon clearing a BGC.
     
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    The government or entities are not checking credit history of anybody who might someday want to borrow money
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Fine, put the people who are causing the problems in jail and leave the rest of us alone.
     
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    BIG BROTHER is watching!. :eek:
     
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    Another unconstitutional check.
     
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    Private sales are called "face-to-face transactions" precisely because they don't occur online. You cannot "buy them on line". You were wrong about that. Do you understand that now?
     
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    Can't separate the wheat from the chaff without going through the same thresher....
     
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    If you are following the conditions as you said you would by checking the “I accept” box, but who is enforcing your promise? If you don’t cross State lines nor use the postal service, it is a private transaction, do you pay the appropriate taxes when you purchase items off of Craigslist?
     
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    But that information is being catalogued whether you want to borrow or not
     
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    As I noted in the offset, you don’t know who the shooter is going to be, you can’t put everyone in jail, even those shooting till after the fact
     
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    How? How are red flag laws unconstitutional?

    You do know that no right in the Constitution is absolute, they all can, and have been regulated, even Scalia admitted that fact
     
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    But the initial outreach is made on line
     
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    Well, to get all Civics 101 on you, it's generally the various law enforcement agencies that are responsible for making sure that laws are followed. The ATF, FBI, state, county, and local police agencies, etc.

    ArmsList is responsible for enforcing their non-legal terms and conditions.

    Making sure you paid the appropriate amount of taxes? That's the IRS' job.

    None of this changes the fact that you can't buy a gun "online". You were wrong. Do you understand that now?
     
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    Have you read the NYSRPA decision? If not, you should. I suspect it'll be clear to you once you do.
     
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    Yes, some preliminary communication might take place online. That's a far cry from your original, erroneous claim:

    "... just about anyone who wants one can get one, you can even buy them on line (https://www.armslist.com/), just check a box agreeing to the “terms of use” promising to follow all laws, and you are on your way"

    Do you now understand that you were wrong about that?
     
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    How so?

    As I implied it isn’t that different from purchasing an item on Craigslist as long as you check the box, promise to follow the rules, and avoid the mail or crossing State lines
     
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    If you are referring to NY State and the local Judge who recently applied Thomas’s inane logic to the State’s gun legislation, yes, it is sophomoric, got to love the logic of the Judge deciding that it is legal to carry guns on local busses but not long distance busses

    It has already been appealed up, and is in limbo till the appeals Court rules
     
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    Of course it's different. Not all sales on Craigslist are regulated. Online firearm sales are. When you sell your baseball bat on craigslist do they come for you after it's been used in the commission of a crime? Because every state bans the private sale of firearms to prohibited persons all states regulate the transfer of firearms. 21 of them require a background check take place. The bottom line is that the seller has to show the weapon is no longer theirs and that the transfer was not negligent. An idiot performs a transfer like that with someone they don't know. Most transfers like the type you're talking about happen through FFLs regardless of common state. Most other legitimate offline private sales happen through people that know each other. Relatives, neighbors, friends.
     
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    I'm referring to the recent SCOTUS case: NYSRPA v Bruen. Most people have taken to referring to the case as Bruen but I like to refer to it as NYSRPA, as a small acknowledgement of the fantastic work the NYSRPA did in defending the right of the people to keep and bear arms by pursuing the case. They deserve credit for their achievement.
     
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    Obviously, I didn’t agree with the case

    Logic behind the decision was sophomoric at best, Thomas’s lacking knowledge of history was on clear display when he laid out his Originalism “reasoning,” and Alito’s questions and comments were inane, and he knew it, that’s the reason he later felt necessary to add an addendum addressing Breyer’s minority opinion

    Regardless, a month later NY, as well as several other States, passed new legislation, which in some cases were stricter, given the nebulous language employed in the majority opinion, especially their inability to define what is a public place
     
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    Which is all fine, but you missed my point that anyone who really wanted a gun can get one, and there are plenty of as you say “idiots” out there, I just used the Internet to show it could be done, plenty of others
     
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    That's right and just like any other law, you can't punish the entire population because someone might break the in the future.
     
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