"Banning semi autos certainly WOULD address mass shootings"

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lesh, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    people like Lesh want to ban guns to punish gun advocates for the way they often vote in elections. it has nothing to do with crime control given ice picks are used to kill more people than "assault rifles"
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Less wants to punish honest gun owners not disarm criminals

    anyone with an IQ over 55 knows that the people who import and traffic narcotics will import and traffic guns that bannerrhoid politicians ban. the only people deprived of owning such guns after a ban are honest citizens
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    yeah that is a pretty stupid argument,

    stuff that is wrong should be illegal owning guns by honest people should never be illegal.
     
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    You are aware that you can swap out cylinders on a lot of revolvers?
     
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  5. Lesh

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    That's an absurd statement.
     
  6. Lesh

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    Not anywhere as quickly or easily as changing magazines...and then only 6 bullets...not 15
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    or you could carry multiple pistols...
     
  8. Lesh

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    And when those 12 shots are fired...you're out.

    Which is when you are vulnerable...as opposed to after firing hundreds of bullets
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    Shall I be more specific and say a diuble action revolver? A double revelover in effect is a semi-automatic. In a six shot all I have to do is pull a trigger six times to fire six shots.
    Are you propsing banning them too? What about semi-automatic pistols?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    its the only thing that makes sense. even someone like you has to know that your proposed bans would impact millions of honest people and very few "mass killers"
     
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    so the Lesh view of the second amendment is that at a certain point, the federal government suddenly is able to have powers it doesn't have below that thresh hold. Gun banners have to engage in all sorts of idiotic mental contortions to just their gun banning dreams
     
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    And if you have speed loaders? As well Difference in time isn't that much with the right revolver and some training. And please an improvement if those killed are run over by a car, shot or smacked with a hammer. Dead is pretty much dead regardless. Banning Semi autos just means mass casualty events will be done by other means. Assuming the perp doesn't just smuggle a semi aut or a machine gun in past the same coast guard that can't seem to keep out several billion in drugs year by year.
     
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    It was pretty stupid that I had to reveal to you that firearms are not overly complex pieces of tech and you can indeed machine them in your garage. It doesn't take magic factory faerie dust to make a gun or something.
     
  14. Lesh

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    Again...speed loaders take a good deal of practice, are still slower than magazine reloads (which take virtually no skill and no time) and STILL only load 6 bullets
     
  15. Lesh

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    If by "build" you mean assemble the parts that were manufactured elsewhere.

    When you can "build" a lower receiver in your basement or machine a bolt in your garage...get back to me
     
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    Do you not know that you can privately own a CNC mill? https://www.wired.com/2014/10/cody-wilson-ghost-gunner/
    Did you not read the article?
    https://ghostgunner.net/

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    For ****'s sake you can beat an ak receiver out of a shovel blade
     
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    And that doesn't even take into account 3d printing,,,
     
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    And? Las Vegas dude spent ten years acquiring his arsenal you think that isn't enough time to practice? And again what does it matter what these crazies use to kill a bunch of people? Crazy is not synonymous with stupid. They will if they want to find a way to kill a bunch of people. The remember those two little twerps from Columbine? There original plan was to blow up the school cafeteria at lunch time and then go hunting but they decided at the last minute changed there minds and went hunting first. And while a sorry for those families who lost loved ones that day, I count it a good thing that they had guns and made the decision they did 13 dead is immensely preferable to 100's dead.
     
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    As I said: You cannot prove your statement true. Thank you
     
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    You said:

    Here's the ONLY other reference in the Constitution to that Well Regulated Militia

    There is no reference to a well regulated militia, except in the 2nd, and thus, there is no "other" reference.

    Thus, your statement is false.
     
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    >2/3 of these are suicide, which your suggested ban on guns will do nothing to address.
    Why don't you are about the 20,000 people that commit suicide each year with a gun?
     
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    Oh, the irony.
     
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    As you did not understand any of it -- how do you know?
     
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    Look at you, thinking your question matters.
     
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    This is, of course, false, as scores of millions of these weapons, and maybe hundreds of millions of magazines, will still be available.
    Thus, your premise fails.
     

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