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Good one - I admire your creativity.

 

Do you defend Muslims who say that Mohammad (THE JIHADIST'S #1 ROLE MODEL!!) is the #1 role model of all time? If so, you would be defending Jihad, indirectly at least, arguably. Do you, RiaRaeb, defend Muslims who say that Mohammad is the #1 role model of all time, or do you condemn them?

 

I wonder if RiaRaeb will defend Muslims who approve of "the quran, aswell the hadith promiss death to unbelievers and people who don't want to submit to islam." I condemn those Muslims.

 

Religions often cause hatred and violence, that is not disputable.

 

no, ideologies cause hatred and violence.

and so does ignorant and bigotry

 

The problems is that people mistake tolerance for the refusal to have opinions.

I heard many people putting on the same level being racist and being against a religion. By inventing the word "islamophobia", some people intented to put on the same level someone who hate gays, muslims or people because of the color of their skin.

I'm not willing to launch a debate on why gayness isn't I think chosen, but I think that those people are terribly wrong. By the way, a religion is something you simply choose, it's a tradition you're often born with it. But staying from this religion is a choice, not a fatality as being black or gay (I'm saying again, I'm not to speak about homosexuality here).

At the opposite, I think that the Islam is an ideology, as communism, nazism, conservatism or liberalism, as an ideology, Islam should be able to be debated, contested and to disagree with.

Unfortunately, after the fall of christianism in western europe, people mistaken tolerance with "disagreeing to something without wishing to destroy it" with a intellectual soup were everything is supposed to be equal to be everything.

Humanity cause hatred and violence. Religion is not responsible of that. The inherent darkness of humanity is not created by religion, however some religion or religion movement encourage that darkness. Some parts of christianism and the quran encourage that.

 

So you cannot show where I defend Jihad, after tens of posts. It is ironic that you try to take the moral high ground, but make things up. Yet another fail for your Modern Secular Humanist creed, who just as religions do, put words in others mouths.

Now I think that concludes our conversation, you have been shown to promote untruths, you have been shown to falsify what people write.

I condemn all religions and there texts, I understand that there are people so brainwashed or uneducated that they cannot see how ridiculous these texts are. I will not condemn those people because they do not have the access to education you and I have. I constantly campaign to educate these people with a good secular education.

 

I slighty disagree with that. The real origin of that is our humanity, but some ideologies or religion encourage our inner darkness, other try to exalt our imperfect human nature.

 

Speaking of "ignorant", I think we can both agree that a good example of ignorance would be the belief that the world is about 6000 years old as evidenced by the stupidity of the texts/writers of the Jewish and Christian texts, correct.

 

bigotry is ignorance.

like the idea that Muslims "fear" pigs

 

Like the Bible teaching that all non-believers are such scum, so vile, so repulsive, that they DESERVE to never get to "heaven", and also DESERVE brutal eternal torture, correct, Votre?

 

Wow, we can't even agree that ignorance would be "the belief that the world is about 6000 years old as evidenced by the stupidity of the texts/writers of the Jewish and Christian texts". So the Jewish and Christian texts are NOT "ignorant", but are rather, say, "smart", for their belief that the world is about 6000 years old, Ronstar?

 

the age of the Universe is never recorded in the Torah.

 

Of course they do, here's proof:
Muslims Demand Texas Pig Farmer Move So They Can Build A Mosque

 

ive known more than a few Muslims.

none of them had a fear of pigs.

stop with the ignorant bigotry.

 

In the Bible the geneologies from Adam to Jesus add up to around 4000 years (Jesus was about 2000 years ago, so hence the 6000 figure), and this is so incredibly far from the truth that you condemn the writers of those ancient texts and you condemn the people who today give their impressionable young children those obviously WRONG texts, correct Ronstar?

 

Condemning Muslims will get them to realize they are wrong!! Stop coddling them!! We are at war!!
Again, you "deflect" away from Jihad by giving Muslims a pass, but do not "defend" Jihad - I was technically wrong about that at first, I'm sorry.

 

Apparently you didn't know the Muslims in that video I posted.
Can you condemn Muslims for an irrational hatred of pigs? Pigs are wonderful.

 

It's by and large a hate-speech issue, yes.

 

LOL

you need to stop taking the Torah literally.

especially considering it states that the following lived hundreds of years:

1 Adam 930 Genesis 5:4
2 Seth 912 Genesis 5:8
3 Enosh 905 Genesis 5:11
4 Cainan 910 Genesis 5:14
5 Mahalalel 895 Genesis 5:17
6 Jared 962 Genesis 5:20
7 Enoch 365 (translated) Genesis 5:23
8 Methuselah 969 Genesis 5:27
9 Lamech 777 Genesis 5:31
10 Noah 950 Genesis 9:29

 

My pseudonym means Your Highnenss, yes I'm not modest, you're call me "Your".

I'm not christian and their is lot of sick material in the bible. However, some people like the Abbot Pierre, an other priest I knew, and St Francis make me a little bit less harsh with christianism.

Often a religion is based on three things :
A tradition
A holy text or a sacred knowledge
A role model

Some religion are only based on a tradition and sacred knowledge.

Jesus is a better role model than Muhammed.

Furthermore, christian don't have exactly the same relationship with the bible than muslims. Litteralist christian like evangelist tend to make me sick, but a lot of christian know that the bible were written by men and just "inspired" by God.

By the way, I'm happy that we're not anymore in the 18th century and that the christian doesn't play as much a role into society than today.

 

Speaking of "ignorant bigotry", I condemn Jesus for his ignorant bigotry.....can you?...where the soon-to-be zombie allegedly would not help a woman of a different ethnicity (so much for his moral leadership!) and said “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

 

So we both agree that it's unreliable, and can't be counted on to be accurate for anything?

 

what did Jesus say, was ignorant bigotry?

 

ah, so you admit that its a lie to suggest the Torah makes any claims as to the age of the Universe