Ben Crump, MSNBC Contributor Suggests Re-Defining Crime To Accommodate ‘Black Culture’

An arrest is almost always followed by a quick release. IOW, arresting most offenders on the spot is a futile gesture.
1. Just give them a summons to appear -- or mail one to them.
2. Send a well prepared SWAT unit to haul them in AFTER the bench warrant for their arrest is issued for failure to appear.

Result: People will start showing up in court in a timely manner and far more police officers get home alive and intact.

 

For example, during the crack epidemic, crack had something like 4x the severity of punishment than did cocaine. Given that cocaine was, at the time, predominantly an upper class 'white' drug and crack was basically the same drug but cheaper and more popular in poor black areas, its hard to not see a racial bias in drug laws. Similarly, almost all of our gun laws can be traced back to surges in popularity of guns in black communities. No one ever seems to really want more gun control until black people start exercising their right to keep and bear arms.

Probably. We should at the very least legalize everything else so it can be sold from certified establishments that can be regulated and sued if their products turn out to be contaminated with fentanyl. Fentanyl OD is primarily caused by people using other drugs that someone mixed with (too much) fentanyl and the user didn't know.

...as you quoted me saying: "I don't think legalizing counterfeit money is a good idea...". I thought it was clear that I was using that example as a potential problem with Crump's argument.

 

I'm skeptical. You catch George Floyd passing a fake 20, and you just give him a summons?

 

We should legalize fentanyl and all other illegal drugs except those causing violent or dangerous behavior.

A lot of crime is incidental to the distribution and sale of illegal drugs, as well as crime committed by addicts to get money to buy drugs. Fentanyl, in particular, can be manufactured cheaply. It is so powerful that minimal amounts can be carefully cut and distributed through the ordinary pharmaceutical establishment at very low cost. This would take the crime out of opiate addiction. It should be up to communities to curb opiate addiction by education and medical treatment.

And blacks as well as whites are smart enough to realize that opiates are dangerous and to be avoided. Culture would change in all communities to make drugs taboo. Further, with the money taken out of sales, there would be no pushers trying to hook more addicts.

 

As opposed to arresting nonviolent offenders on the spot and either killing them or watching them get out quickly -- often without bail?

I mean the courts are now releasing even the most violent felons without bail.

 

Crack is a victimless crime?

That's debatable at best. More to the point, why do you think the severity was higher for crack than "regular" cocaine? I think the news articles about that Congressional debate would be enlightening.

You are totally off base about guns and I'm not sure how they fit with this topic. Anti gun hysteria now is 100% about disarming white people who shoot for hunting or sports, not black people. If that were the case, than big city DA's would be charging to the hilt unlawful possession and carrying firearms as an ex-felon. Instead those charges are almost alwas pled down.

Basically the argument you and others seem to be making is that black people are going to break the law anyway so you might as well legalize everything to avoid future George Floyds.

 

Government would probably have to produce and distribute he drugs at cost to eliminate illegal drug trafficking.
And that would probably lead to government raising the price to generate revenue and advertising -- like the lotteries.

 

The Daily Caller? Really?
Anyway.....https://www.nbc.com/black-men-in-am.../black-men-in-america-road-to-2024/8000010554

 

When are white and black people going to start realizing how harmful opiates are? Only after legalization?

 

Right, and George Floyd had a violent rap sheet...so just let everybody go.

Apparently everyone in this thread has gone extreme libertarian (no laws man) or insane.

 

It appears that black people have historically been the test case for general authoritarianism. Thats why drugs laws tend to start out targetting drugs that are mostly popular among blacks, and why gun law precedent are typically set when blacks start bearing arms. Once the precedent is set (due in no small part to everyone else ignoring blacks being targetted by the new laws), then the laws are expanded to everyone else. And yes, in the case of guns, it appears there is a sort of reversal going on. But only sortof. You might have noticed the hoplophobes arent particularly concerned about criminals bearing arms, they are more concerned about arms being beared legally. Once they get what they really want (which is, of course, bearing arms being by govt permit only), then black people will be back to #1 on the list of people who are denied permits for subjectively derived and bureaucratically obfuscated reasons without any recourse or oversight, with #2 being anyone unhappy with democratic authoritarian bureaucracy (aka collectivism). And since white people didn't go along with banning guns to keep guns out of the hands of black people, they're trying the other way- getting black people to support taking guns away from the whites. But rest assured, white or black, only friends of the govt will be able to bear arms if they succeed. Fortunately its not succeeding, black people are the fastest growing demographic of new gun owners lately, and black gun owners don't seem any more interested in disarming white folks than white gun owners wanna disarm black folks.

 

Nothing about this post seemed correct.

 

Yes, after legalization. After legalization the harm would become obvious. Families would take serious action to prevent their children from becoming hooked on opiates and following the older addicts into a life of opiate stupor. The latter would eventually die off.

It's up to the black community to make the dealer a pariah instead of celebrating him in song and video as the "gangsta".

 

Well I dunno if thats quite how it would work, but certainly if people could get 'clean' junk at a dispensery, less people are gonna be making the street gang dealers rich. And that would help a lot.

 

You need to stop picking selected quotes. Because what I posted is back by historical fact and its also published in a book.

Here is the inconvenient truth.

The Corwin Amendment, https://heritagepost.org/article/the- corwin-amendment
The Corwin Amendment, Enslavement, and Abraham Lincoln,https://www.thoughtco.com/corwin-amendment-slavery-and-lincoln-4160928
The Compromise of 1877, https://www.khanacademy.org/ humanities/us-history/civil-war-era/reconstruction/a/ compromise-of-1877
Jeff Charles, Lily-White Movement: Why Black Americans Left The GOP, Liberty Nation News, April 02, 2021, https://www.libertynation.com/lily-white-movement-why-blackamericans-left-the-gop
Lily-white movement, https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/topic/lily white-movement/

 

Its up to the white community to stop shipping drugs into and throughout this country. How long have whites gorified gangsters? Almost 200 years starting with the so called wild west.



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The Sopranos - Wikipedia

A TV show about WHITE gangsters was called "the richest achievement in the history of television."

 

As a social policy, this is incredibly stupid. You must be a libertarian.

 

The way whites have chosen to live created the racism we face as black people.

 

What has been called progressive has changed over time.

 

And that's not a cerime punishable by death, so try something else. Like talking about the white shippers and distributors.

 

White shippers and distributors? What are you talking about?

 

LOL. Good point.

 

CIA, FBI...

 

The CIA and FBI provided George Floyd with his Fentanyl?

According to their diversity programs the actual provider would likely be a trans woman of color.

 

Today sure. But I'm not certain the CIA has the same influence over the drug trade as they did back during the crack epidemic. Fentanyl seems to be more of a misguided centuries-old grudge with China and England. But England isn't 'the power' anymore, so they're taking it out on us (or just using the Brits tactics, probably that).

But in the 80s, the CIA was very interested in controlling the drug trade, 'because someone is going to and it might as well be us (and we need more off-the-books money for shady ****...).

The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack - Institute for Policy Studies (ips-dc.org)