Bernie Sanders Accused of Using Campaign Money to Benefit Family

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  1. tsuke

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    His last name starts with a T ? :D
     
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    The problem with Trump is that you do not know where he stands on most of the issues. He is great at "Platitude speak".

    Anyone can repeat " We are going to make this country great again " over and over and various other meaningless phrases.

    Is he anti establishment - an enemy of the Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion monster that is pulling the strings of the establishment puppets. I'm not sure ? At least with Cruz and Sanders we know that at least these guys talk a good game in relation to the power of lobbies and crony capitalism.

    I have no clue where Trump stands on individual rights and freedoms which is a big one for me given the countries move towards totalitarianism over the last number of decades.
     
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    Snarky answer: Anyone but Hillary.

    Serious answer:

    Rand Paul looks at everything through the lens of the Constitution; he is anti-establishment and a fiscal conservative. He is the most libertarian of the Republicans. He is also the most non-interventionist/isolationist (take your pick of terms) on foreign policy and the use of the military. But Rand Paul has little political traction, and he is not going to win the nomination.

    Ted Cruz is solidly on the right on social issues, sort of the Michelle Bachmann of 2016. The religious right loves him. But he may be too far to the right to win a general election. Furthermore, he has said he would "carpet bomb" ISIS held territory which shows a lack of understanding of the rules of war, or the nature of it, and it was an unintended slap in the face of our military whose ethic it is to target the enemy, not innocent civilians. I am confident that a lot of officers would simply refuse to follow orders like that. I thought it was a stunningly irresponsible statement from a guy who thinks he's ready to be the Commander-in-Chief.

    Marco Rubio is conservative but a bit more moderated than Cruz. My problem with Rubio, the more I watch him, is that he doesn't look to me like someone who is comfortable just giving a succinct, straight answer. When asked a question, his eyes sort of glaze over as he visualizes a speech he's memorized, and then he gives the speech. He comes off as a little slick, IMO, and rehearsed. He has advocated imposing a "no fly zone" over Syria and shooting down Russian aircraft that go into it. (He's not the only one, btw.) Personally, I'm not interested in provoking a shooting war with the Russians over the Syria issue. He has also said he is generally in favor of free trade agreements, but many people, including me, think that those agreements hurt American workers and contribute to the decline of the middle class.

    Ben Carson - I love his humble style, and I think of him as intelligent and sincere. But he's as far to the religious right as Cruz is, and his only real track record is that he's a great surgeon. I like him a lot, but I'm not sure he's really cut out for the presidency.

    And, of course, there are the others who are not going to get the nomination.

    That leaves Trump. He sees the need to defeat ISIS, but he has said he wants to work with the Russians on that. He has also said he doesn't think the U.S. should be the world's policeman. He speaks very strongly of his support for our veterans. We all know how he feels about the border and immigration. He speaks of wanting good economic deals with other countries. He was born rich, but he has built and managed and been successful. He is thought to be a social moderate, and not especially religious. He seems to want to do good things for America more than he wants to be president, and that's a good thing.

    In summary, I don't think you're going to get that "exactly right" candidate you want. You could look around in the "third parties", but voting for one of them probably amounts to a vote for Hillary in its effect.

    I have my reservations about all of the R candidates, but I will vote for the one who gets the nomination. Hillary is toxic to me, so there is no chance I'll vote for her unless maybe if the Republicans nominate Kim Jong-un as their candidate. In that case, more likely, I just wouldn't vote.

    My two cents :oldman:
     
  4. Monster Zero

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    Why would the U.S. Government want to "defeat ISIS" (aka Al Queda, Al Nusra) ?

    The CIA created ISIS to over throw Middle East oil producing governments.

    Trump, like all the other Presidential Candidates, have no intention of destroying the CIA mercenary army "ISIS" they created. You've been lied to.

    That is why Putin and Assad had to exterminate "ISIS, the "FSA," and "Al Nusra." Because Obama, Hillary, Biden, Sanders, McCain and the rest of Washington were b....sh......!
     
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    The freedom to speak one's mind is one of the many reasons I respect our veterans. Have a nice day. :salute: :flagus:
     
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    :wink::peace:
     
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    This is the truth that so-called "Progressive Voices" and "Free Speech TV" are burying.


    West Media Starves Truth in Syria

    By Finian Cunningham

    January 11, 2016 "Information Clearing House" -


    " The half-truth that the Western media don't tell is that many towns in Syria have been, and are still, taken over by foreign-backed mercenary militia. They are terrorists, not "rebels", belonging to such groups as the so-called Islamic State (or Daesh), al Nusra Front and Jaish al-Islam. All of them espouse a twisted, corrupted version of Islam, which ordains that anyone opposed to them can be beheaded or their children gang-raped.

    The Western media portray the "Syrian regime" forces as having blockaded the towns and using starvation as a weapon against the residents. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Of course, the reason why the West refers to "rebels" and not "terrorists" is because the terrorists are supported by Western governments and their regional allies in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey. Half-truths are invented because the full truth is a shocking revelation of the real, criminal nature of Western governments and how they have sponsored a covert war in Syria for their illicit scheme of regime change against the Assad administration."



    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43915.htm







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  8. Seth Bullock

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    Listen, I don't support the Assad regime, and I don't support the rebels either. Neither of them are like us, and that civil war shouldn't have had anything to do with us.

    I see the rise of ISIS as an unintended consequence of our involvement, and now we do have to get rid of them. And I do think we are getting rid of them, slowly.

    There's a ton of propaganda on all sides of this, and I take almost all of it with a grain of salt.

    That's just how I see it.
     
  9. Monster Zero

    Monster Zero Well-Known Member

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    Dear Sir -

    With all due respect, the U.S. military doesn't spend billions and billions of dollars to

    create a war to over throw Assad and then, just suddenly, change their minds.

    Your "anti-establishment" candidate Trump will never be allowed to be occupy the

    White House by the Council on Foreign Relations, which has controlled the U.S.

    Presidency since at least WWII and the election of FDR. The corporatist media

    is allowing their "anti-establishment" Trump his free media reign during the

    election, because he serves as a distraction device for two Party Oligarchy and the

    war machine, Americas main industry, the Military Industrial Complex. Once his "divide

    and conquer" racial and religious election year spectacle task is completed, which is

    utilized by the powers that be in order to suppress more truthful reporting, such as

    the brutality of Obamas war crimes and the bankrupted American economy,
    he will

    be dispensed with, in favor of a Council on Foreign Relations controlled candidate.

    Much in the same way, Bernie Sanders, the "anti-establishment" faux leftist

    candidate, who supported bombing Syria and the war to unseat Assad,

    is being marketed to Democrat voters without criticism by the Council on

    Foreign Relations leader George Soros funded media empire,
    namely "Democracy

    Now" Amy Goodman and "Free Speech TV," who actively lie about the phony "War on

    ISIS," conceal Obama war crimes, like the million refugees from Obamas illegal war on

    the Ukraine, and do anti-Assad propaganda lies (i.e.) "Assads Torture Gulag" for

    Carlyle Group multi- billionaire George Soros daddy war-bucks. Like Sanders,"the

    Donald" is just am election year device for the two Party Oligarchy

    to placate the disaffected Tea Party Libertarians, (as GCN radio host Joyce Riley and

    Alex Jones two popular media icons in the Libertarian media already did positive if not

    fawning coverage of Trump), Bernie Sanders is a distraction device for the grass

    roots, anti-war Progressive movement, and will be jettisoned in favor of Council on

    Foreign Relations member Hillary Clinton.





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  10. Seth Bullock

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    Sir, the U.S. military doesn't decide. It follows orders.

    I remember hearing the same thing said of Barack Obama.

    Sir, my opinion of the CFR is that it is a think-tank. They do try to influence U.S. policy, for better or worse.

    There are many other think-tanks that do the same. They talk, they write, and they sometimes testify in Congress.

    I do not believe that the CFR is the puppet master of a puppet U.S. government. Washington, D.C., is an extremely "networked" amalgamation of people in politics, the military, the government bureaucracy, and industry. It is quite amazing how so many of them know each other. "Who you know" is highly valued there. Anyone who is anyone wants to network with others in D.C. There are many ways to accomplish that in D.C., and the CFR does not have some sort of diabolical lock on that. That is a myth.

    To a first term president, politics is his first master. To a second term president, politics and his legacy become equal masters. To those ends, he will do whatever he thinks he must do to. To think that the CFR can somehow force a president to go against those instincts, and follow their orders, is a fantasy in my opinion.

    As far as the upcoming election, we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    Bernie Sanders also supported the war versus Russia and the illegal Obama slaughter in Ukraine, but you'll never hear that on the phony "anti-war" Progressive Voices Radio or Soros funded Pacifica Radio, who fall in line with Democrat Party mass murderer Sanders. Radio hosts like Tom Hartman, Mike Malloy and Leslie Marshall.

    Ed Schultz once said, thinking he was off the air for a station break, but his mic was still audible with a guest from the faux progressive "Nation magazine," (which is funded by the CFR Ford Foundation and Soros) - Ed asked his in studio staff, "How do we spin the war in Libya as a victory for the President?"

    In America, the Progressive "anti-war" media is 99% bankrolled by Washington DC oil defense profiteering foundations, "Liberal" public radio is a front for corporatist war profiteers, and the "Progressive" radio on Clear Channel is a Democrat Party scam, of lies, smoke and mirrors, divisive race and religion baiting.
     
  12. Seth Bullock

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    Well, one thing that isn't something it ain't is my bartender. Time to go pay her a visit. Have a nice evening. :beer:
     
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    The oligarchs are getting scared. Just today Clinton told an outrageous lie on sanders in regards to healthcare.

    Sanders just pulled ahead of Clinton in Iowa. So Clinton, the corporate owned democratic party are getting scared, for their time is over.

    Sanders has his ass covered, for he isn't stupid. They are pulling out everything but the kitchen sink, and that will be pulled out soon enough. This is bull(*)(*)(*)(*), and just shows how dangerous sanders is to the oligarchy. If this doesn't work, they will try to assassinate him, for he is a threat to the oligarchy, and both parties which they own.

    Anyone who would support Clinton, and has to work for a living, should be given a sharp knife, so you can cut your own throat. Only bankers and MNCs should support her. Or complete idiots.
     
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    You'd better believe it - that when there is an end to the illegal Obama funded and armed ISIS, FSA, Al Nusra terror war, that Bernie Sanders, the Democrat Party, "Democracy Now," Soros, Pacifica, and "Progressive Voices" will have had nothing to do with it. Indeed, if anything they are all guilty of prolonging the Obama,Hillary led war on Syria with their stupendous and horrendous war propaganda and lies.


    Russia Vindicated by Terrorist Surrenders in Syria

    By Finian Cunningham

    December 31, 2015 "Information Clearing House"


    " As Syrians gather in their capital Damascus to celebrate, there is a sense that the New Year will bring a measure of peace – the first time such hope has been felt over the past five years of war in the country.

    Russia’s military intervention to help its Arab ally at the end of September has been the seminal event of the year. After three months of sustained Russian aerial operations in support of the Syrian Arab Army against an array of foreign-backed mercenaries, there is an unmistakable sense that the «terrorist backbone has been broken», as Russian President Vladimir Putin recently put it."


    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43837.htm






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    This is so much of a stretch that I could literally hear the author's muscles and tendons snapping while I was reading.
     
  16. Monster Zero

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    Doesn't it often seem as if Sanders is just telling the people what they want to hear?:spin:

    Big Corporations "evil," blah, blah, blah, "don't pay their share of the tax burden," etc.,but can a Pres. really have the power to make those big corps. pay, and create "good paying jobs" like the millions of unemployed really need? Or is it just more hollow populism?
     
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    What a surprise! I thought a socialist would never cheat. (Sarcasm).
     
  18. Monster Zero

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    Read this article, I mean seriously. Putin is really embarrassing Obama with all these swift victories against ISIS. He (Putin) really makes the CIA/Pentagon look bad with all these military successes, after years of Obama failures. That is, if Obama, Biden, Hillary were truly trying to defeat ISIS.
     
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    Rand Paul was the only candidate to mention U.S. Government illegally spying on Americans on "Morning Joe" today.

    As a matter of fact, they didn't close down Total Information Awareness, they merely moved it into a subsidiary of Booz Allen Hamilton.
     
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    Not to many months ago former Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger wrote a column that was directed to Obama and the clueless and incompetent people he has surrounded himself with, with out mentioning Obama's name.

    In today's world that Obama has created because Obama is clueless when it comes to geopolitics the old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is no longer true or works any longer. Today it's "The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy."

    Obama and his failed foreign policies is why the Middle East is a complete basket case today.
    Obama supported the Arab Spring.
    Obama like most on the left thought the whole war against Al Qaeda was all about killing Osama bin Laden.
    Under Obama Al Qaeda wasn't being decimated and was on the run but has grown in size, has established bases all over the Middle East and North Africa and is more dangerous today than back in 2008 or even 9-11-01.
    Obama threw long time ally Egypt's President Mubarak under the bus.
    Obama armed Al Qaeda in Libya in the name of regime change and also broke the law the War Powers Act.
    Obama armed ISIS in Syria again in the name of regime change of trying to remove a legitimate leader of a sovereign nation from power.

    Hillary Clinton as Secretary od State ? :roflol: I suppose Obama looks at the position of Secretary of State not to be that important of a position. Besides it's Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice who are actually running Obama's foreign policies and are in charge of America's national security policies.

    Donald Trump might be right, Hillary was the worst Secretary of State in history. Well maybe one of them, she does have a lot of blood on her hands. She's also a big time liar.

    John Kerry as choice as Secretary of State ? :roflol: Many of the world leaders have little respect for Kerry. They look at Kerry's past and what they see is a traitor to his own country. It was Kerry who backed stabbed the American soldiers while they were still on the battlefields in South Vietnam. That's why when Kerry became Secretary of State the first thing he did was to call his counterpart in Russia and the phone call was refused. The old hard core Soviets appreciated Kerry's support during the Vietnam War and during the Cold War but they also look at him as a traitor to his own country and can't be trusted.
     
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    APACHERAT,

    Good Comments.

    Bernie Sanders is just telling people what they want to hear.
     
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    :frown:I dont think you quite understand just how corrupt your Democrat Party has become.:frown:

    [​IMG]

    MSNBC Morning Joe had CFR man Richard Haas praising Kissinger (whom Clinton was photoed with recently in a near hug) yesterday after the Obama speech, and the panel also praised the strategy of the Iran vs, Iraq war (where William Casey of the CIA supplied arms helped Saddam gas and bomb some 350,000 Iranians to death). They left out that last fact. These are the people Hillary and Bernie associate with. America has become gangsterism, endless thuggery and brainwashing us to be consumer junkies for the latest iphone or broken version. Microsoft Windows. Violence is even condoned, where on "the Walking Dead" its OK to show a white man shooting a black man every week as long as the African or Spanish American is a zombie.

    Read this partial timeline about the Obama meetings with the head of Al Nusra at the White House:

    See also:

    Black site

    "In military terminology, a black site is a location at which an unacknowledged black project is conducted. Recently, the term has gained notoriety in describing secret prisons operated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), generally outside of U.S. territory and legal jurisdiction.[citation needed] It can refer to the facilities that are controlled by the CIA and used by the U.S. government ..."

    <edit>

    "An estimated 50 prisons have been used to hold detainees in 28 countries, in addition to at least 25 more prisons in Afghanistan and 20 in Iraq. It is estimated that the U.S. has also used 17 ships as floating prisons since 2001, bringing the total estimated number of prisons operated by the U.S. and/or its allies to house alleged terrorist suspects since 2001 to more than 100.

    Countries that held suspects on behalf of the U.S. include Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gambia, Israel, Jordan, Kenya, Kosovo, Libya, Lithuania, Mauritania, Morocco, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Somalia, South Africa, Thailand, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and Zambia."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site

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    Dr James Petras | December 7, 2015

    "the Democratic Party has supported wars and invasions against Indo-China, Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia and scores of ‘clandestine’ military operations – including the recent and current proxy-wars in Georgia and Ukraine ..."

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/201...ies-progressives-as-political-contraceptives/

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    So Who Are The Real Villains and Who Does The Real War Atrocities?:roll:

    Syria 24 English
    January 22, 2014 ·

    Syria: Torture Photos 'Politicized', 'Fake'

    TEHRAN (FNA)- Syria's Justice Ministry dismissed a report alleging mass torture and killing by the government as "politicized", stressing that the shocking photos in the document are "fake".

    "The Justice Ministry completely denies the veracity of the report," the ministry said in a statement on Wednesday, the state news agency reported.

    "It is a politicized report that lacks objectivity and professionalism," the ministry said.

    The comments came in response to the publication of a report alleging the "industrial-scale" torture and murder of 11,000 detainees by the Syrian government.

    The report has been put together by a British law firm and commissioned by Qatar which backs the Syrian militants.

    Syria also dismissed the photographic evidence as false.

    "Anyone who works in the field of criminal investigation can tell that these photos are fake and bear no relation to prisoners or detainees in Syrian prisons," the ministry said.

    The statement said some of those in the photos were "foreign terrorists" killed during attacks on government forces, and others had been killed or tortured to death by "armed terrorist groups".

    "Syrian prisons... are in accordance with internationally recognized best standards of justice," the statement added.

    The ministry said the report, which was released two days before the start of Syrian peace talks in the Swiss town of Montreux, was intended "to undermine efforts to bring peace to Syria".

    Syria has been gripped by deadly unrest since 2011. According to reports, western powers and their regional allies - especially Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey - are supporting the militants operating inside the country."


    https://www.facebook.com/syria24english/posts/624213997614386?stream_ref=1
     
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    Yeah, I've sat in bars and had beers with soldiers, but I wouldn't sit in a bar and have a beer with a politician who supported an illegal war that killed tens of thousands of innocent people that was started by the Democrat Party like the support Bernie has given in rhetorical speeches regarding the war in Ukraine. Thats who Bernie Sanders is.

    He claims to be an "Independent," but then if that were true, why would he then say he would support Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Presidential nominee?
     
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    I am an independent too. I am not a member of the R party or the D party or any party. I want to have a candidate that I can really believe in 100%. Who doesn't? But that is not going to happen (well, unless Eisenhower is miraculously resurrected from the grave), so I will vote for the one that comes closest to my beliefs. If I have to, I will choose the lesser of two evils. Bernie probably feels the same way.
     
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    Were you old enough to vote in 1992 when Perot ran?

    What did you think of him?

    I supported him because he opposed the NAFTA issue, which the Clintons supported, and he was the reason a balanced budget amendment ever got any traction, of course, because the public rallied behind Ross at the time.
     

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