Strange document, which seems to explore on other, un-related subjects, and doesn't say the same thing as these: http://airforces.fr/2009/12/20/rafale-vs-typhooneurofighter/ http://theaviationist.com/2014/09/3...s-in-a-dogfight-against-4th-gen-fighter-jets/ And these (in French): http://www.opex360.com/2013/06/18/un-f-22-raptor-en-mauvaise-posture-face-a-un-rafale/ http://secretdefense.blogs.liberati...n-pour-le-rafale-lors-dexercices-aux-emirats/ Consensus seem to be that out of 6 tries, F-22 only shot down a Rafale once (and there's this video, showing a f-22 right in the firing spot of a Rafale), confirming the 1-0 score. There's no mention of the F-22's "two kills". That's not much considering the supposed advance of the F-22, a dedicated interceptor vs a multirole, and its price tag. Yeah well, the article I linked was about Rafale and F-35, anyway, so I guess I got confused and call a f-35 "raptor", somehow along discussions. F-35 do not have IRST, but rather a less effective OETS. However, its IR missile warning system can be used as a shorter-range IRST.
Yes, as a matter of fact it is. I got mixed up in my links above: The one from The Aviationist should have been this more relevant one.
Mate, both US and UK are ahead of France in Avionics... Eurofighter Typhoons new Captor-E AESA radar is a whole generation ahead of Rafale's ,F-22 and F-35 are equipped with AESA radars that are unsurpassed with regard to range and scanning speed....
The RAFALE is a multi role fighter and performs in all roles very satisfactorily Air to Air , Air to Ground, Air to Ship , Reconnaissance and even tactical nuclear strike and it has a marine verison capable of operation from carriers. But, the Rafale is not the number ONE in any role...
The Rafale has RBE2 AA, which is an AESA that compares well with anything. It also has OSF. Here is what this guy said about comparing F-35 and Rafale, sensor-wise: Overall, both aircraft have similar raw situational awareness. Rafale has the advantage of having air-to-air optimized IRST and 360* cockpit visibility, while F-35 may have spherical coverage with DAS providing optical feed to the pilot, assuming that helmet issues are solved. However, pilots still prefer not to use the helmet, as that way they can see with far more clarity and depth perception than what helmet allows. F-35s EOTS may be capable of detecting aircraft at 160 km from the rear, compared to 130 km detection range of OSF, but since aircraft detected was low-flying F-16 in afterburner, it is hard to estimate wether it will be able to detect aircraft from that distance at higher altitudes if it does not engage afterburner; answer is most likely no. Its radar is also optimized for air-to-ground work. However, data presentation is just as important as data collection when it comes to situational awareness. Rafale’s Human-Machine Interface is similar in concept to Gripen’s, being minimalistic so as to avoid potentially lethal data overload. On the other hand, F-35 presents huge quantity of information, typically in numerical form, which can easily overload the pilot. End result is that Rafale has significant advantage in situational awareness over the F-35.
I sent Obama a letter asking him the same thing, why did he arm the Mexican Sinaloa Cartel, Al Qaeda in Libya and Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria ? I never received a response. I suppose Obama has politicized the U.S. Postal Service and snail mail is moving slower than your average snail.
Nobody knows how exactly these exercises went or how it was scored. The Raptor won either way. The 1-1 score doesn't even look official. At Red Flag, keep in mind even though the Typhoon was able to kill the F-22, the Typhoon pilot says it was only a small spectrum of air combat and the F-22 will have the advantage in Beyond Visual Range combat. Wrong, the F-35 doe have IRST known as the EOTS. The DAS can be used as an IRST as well yes, but it's more practical to use EOTS. What is OETS? Again a source from Picard578. A Blog, with no official sources. Nowhere does it say 160 km or 130 km rear/front in any official source. He estimates for bias. Again, Picard says only the DAS 360 IRST is for air-air and EOTS isn't, so the Rafale has better situational awareness. However, OFFICIAL SOURCES state is known EOTS has air-air. The Newer Rafale's armed with RBE22 AESA do not have IRST. The OSF relies on TV channels. So Picard is wrong again. http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/rafale/a-wide-range-of-smart-and-discrete-sensors/
Allow me to express some doubts about it. BVR combat is the best as long as your ennemy doesn't have the same hi-tech toys as you do. No need for a good aircraft to do strictly BVR combat. "Official sources" have been bullshting us for some times, especially in the f-35's case. At the article's time, Rafale did - it was equipped with previous passively scanned RBE2 instead of the more recent system. Rafale is now even better than in the article's time.
Before U.S. Marine and Navy squadrons are deployed for a combat tour of duty they go through a evaluation and training exercise aboard Tyndall Air Force Base. For example a Marine FA squadron of FA-18 C's go up against Navy FA-18 E Super Hornets, Air Force F-16 C, F-15's and F-22 Raptors in mock air to air combat. An old Marine FA-18 C defeats a F-15 C in a dog fight. Is the FA-18 C a better aircraft or is there a better fighter jock in the cockpit of the FA-18 C ? Haven't heard of a FA-18 C defeating a F-22 in a mock dog fight. Not yet. These Are The Amazing Planes Of This Year's 2015 Red Flag Aerial War Games -> http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/these-are-the-amazing-planes-of-this-years-red-flag-aer-1692329388
The only air-to-air kill by Iraq in the Gulf War was a MiG-25PD against a USN F/A-18C with an AA-6 Acrid on the first night of the war. There's exercises...and there's real World combat. The F-15 is undefeated in actual aerial combat. In a brief dogfight, two F-15Cs engaged and shot down two Iraqi MiG-25s The F/A-18C wasn't so lucky.
Not knowing the specifics of the Navy's FA-18 being shot down by a Mig-25, I would guess that there were two FA-18's using the loose deuce tactics and what happened to the free FA-18, the shooter ? Where was he ?
Jan. 17, 1991, Comdr. Mike Anderson was leading Navy Squadron VFA-81 in the first wave of the allied air assault. Because of the nature of the mission, each pilot flew alone. There was a bunch of coalition aircraft in the air at the time, so to avoid blue-on-blue incidents, the instructions were clear. Do not engage another aircraft unless cleared by AWACS. The problem is AWACS can be fooled by what is called "Doppler notch." When two aircraft are flying at or near the same speed and in the same general direction, both planes can vanish from the AWACS' radar screens. AWACS had no confirming blip before them, and the squadron leader who first spotted the MiG-25 heading west south-west at a high rate of speed, saw the MiG, but did not fire. He couldn't fire unless confirmation was obtained from AWACS this was a bogey and not a friendly. At 3:52am, an intense flash was spotted in the general vicinity where Comdr. Michael Scott Speicher was flying. He was shot down. KIA. No ground missile fire was reported in the area at the time of the incident, and it is presumed the MiG-25 heading his way had indeed shot him down with an air-to-air missile In competent hands, a Foxbat is a deadly aircraft for sure, it is very fast.
The F/A-18 was shot down by the Mig-25 by accident. The Mig-25 pilot spotted the plumes of defense suppression (anti radiation) missiles launched by the F/A-18s and fired several AAMs at them. One of the AAMs from the Foxbat happened to lock onto Scott Speichers Hornet and downed it.
You do realize the Raptor defeated the Typhoon in BVR combat? And F-15s, and F-16s, and F/A-18 Super Hornets. Which had high tech toys. And the Raptor is good at dogfighting. Huh? The EOTS is for air-air and air-ground....how is it bull(*)(*)(*)(*)ting? It's not from a blog source. "The Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) for the F-35 Lightning II is an affordable, high-performance, lightweight, multi-function system that provides precision air-to-air and air-to-surface targeting capability. The low-drag, stealthy EOTS is integrated into the F-35 Lightning II's fuselage with a durable sapphire window and is linked to the aircraft's integrated central computer through a high-speed fiber-optic interface." http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/F-35LightningIIEOTS.html No it wasn't. The site says the newer AESA radar. The AESA equipped ones DO NOT have IRST. Yes it's better due to its better radar.
Source? There were no witnesses other than the Iraqi pilot himself. The F/A-18, was hit by an R-40 "Acrid" missile...that's a long range missile, designed to be released at high speed and high altitude. Given the speed of a Foxbat and the fact these aircraft were flying alone, it's far more plausible he didn't see the Foxbat until it was too late.
Anyway. A couple of combat accounts in the 1991 Gulf War seem to suggest Doppler notch maneuver was effective in breaking radar lock. There was at least one instance in the Gulf War of an Iraqi MiG-25 that broke radar lock by flying perpendicular to approaching F-15Cs. It's called "beaming." This may have been how the MiG "fooled" the AWACS with doppler notching, meaning no return, whether intentional or not. It was either skill or luck, but ether way given the very tight rules of engagement on that first night of the air campaign. Don't engage until AWACS confirms the target is hostile, played into the Iraqi pilot's favor. The Hornet driver who initially spotted the Foxbat, was not cleared to engage. No choice but to let it go. Due to the nature of the attack, many sorties were done alone. The rest is conjecture as to the specific events of how the F/A-18 was shot down. However to assume the Iraqi pilot was a bumbling fool who got "lucky," is how you get shot down in the first place. Complacency. The Foxbat is an interceptor, it is not a dogfighter. If it gets in a dogfight it can be beaten as two USAF F-15Cs shot down two MiG-25s in the same war, but when the game favors the MiG-25 it's formidable.
IIRC the Foxbat can't pull more than about 3Gs when maneuvering so yeah, a turning fight is about the last thing one of its pilots wants to do. On the other hand, slashing in at high speed, firing missiles and then dashing away at even higher speed to avoid return fire is in its mix of possible moves. IIRC, during the U.S./British enforcement of the NoFly Zones over Iraq on a number of occasions, Iraqi Mig-25s avoided getting shot down by simply outrunning AAMs/running them out of range.
Here's the unclassified CIA report on the Lieutenant Commander Speicher case. http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000588922.pdf Quoting the report.
According to Luftwaffe pilots, this is doubtful. Look, maybe it is - it isn't my point; my point is that LM is a public fund-sucking entreprise, as are, on different levels, all companies. I could link you things from Dassault (such as the next item), but I prefer another source than those companies' PR departements. You are right - the article's more recent than I thought. But still, if it's got OSF, it's got IRST.
let me guess: you think the Israelis did 9-11 huh? Idigo warnings right? Silverstein made all that money, right?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a7907/should-you-believe-the-f-22-doom-and-gloom-11248461/ No the Luffwaffe pilot admitted "the merge" is only a small spectrum of air combat and the F-22 will lock on before 20 miles. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/4438392.stm So yes, the Typhoon can match the Raptor in a dogfight with guns only but at longer ranges no. So LM is lying correct? You do realize something so obvious as saying "my IRST can do air-air" on your OFFICIAL WEBSITE and then saying it can't.... is illegal. Imagine a foreign general looking a the website and deciding to buy the F-35, they can sue the United States. Lockheed Martin procurement is slow. But doing something so risky and obvious? And how the hell can't EOTS scan airplanes when it can scan ground targets? Ground targets have more clutter due to background. The old OSF has IRST. New ones don't. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/radar-and-optronics-will-define-future-rafale-214754/ Seeing how the Rafale website says Damocles pod for IR, and TV channel for OSF....the IRST has been removed. Not much need when you got a better radar.
