Beverly Hills: Climate Hypocrite DiCaprio Expands Carbon Footprint.

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    You don't realize how much privilege you have just being an American. If you really don't believe you are an elite, visit the slums of Manilla. If you asked someone in the Ethiopia whether you are an elite, he would say hell yeah! Having multiple cars over your life, going through many expensive smartphones, having high speed internet, having so much food you have to always worry about obesity, having cheap clean water, air conditioning and heating, etc etc. Your lifestyle makes a medieval king look impoverished.

    If you are so upset by the CO2 emissions of the elite (even though you are one yourself), then you should happily support the policies recommended by climate experts that will require the elite and everyone else to live more sustainably. Why would you oppose policies that fixes the problem you yourself are complaining about?
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try this experiment. Takes less than 60 seconds.

    https://www.compareyourincome.org/
     
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    I served in Vietnam. I have lived in four foreign countries and have visited a total of around thirty. I am well aware of how fortunate I am to be an American. That has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of the Gore's of this world who give up nothing, but think we should give up much.
    I am not upset by them. I am only unwilling to give up more when they give up nothing.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would not load.

    However, I am retired. My income has remained the same. The cost of everything has gone up significantly. In spite of being retired, previously I was still able to put aside part of my retirement income. That is no longer happening.
     
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    like the right preaching about Christianity and family values, then electing Trump?
     
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    It's not the carbon footprint of old frogface which is at issue (well I mean it is, but yeah), it's that he claims to be a climate warrior - just like every other Proggy celeb.

    The more you say about Climate, the smaller your footprint should be. If you say stuff more or more loudly than most, then you should have a footprint only a fraction of the average (which is probably something like a non-travelling upper working class person with one car, sharing a two or three bed, one bath residence with family, and who doesn't buy a lot of new stuff). Basically, if you're going to talk about climate as much as these idiots do, you should be living off grid in a self-built shanty, riding a second hand bicyle, and never travelling further than you can ride.
     
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    It's not a policy issue, it's a personal issue. We're free to change RIGHT NOW, but we choose not to.
     
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    Dude, if we all stopped buying the sh!t the 'large corporations' make, they'll stop making it. They ONLY make it because we demand it. It starts and ends with us.
     
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    Hey I am grateful for your service. I make that point about us being elite because we are in the global top 1% which makes us both elite and rich. We aren't rich compared to billionaires but we are still pretty rich. I'm sure happy to be able to afford high quality Japanese cars.

    Al Gore is a hypocrite but so are the rest of us. The only reason our carbon footprint is smaller is because we aren't able to make it bigger because we have less money. If we had his money we'd have the same.

    At least the policies he is proposing will force him to give up a lot. I really hope you don't want us to base our climate policies on what Al Gore is doing. Just ignore that rich guy and the other celebrities and make them and everyone else do what is necessary to make the lives of our children better.
     
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    The problem is we can't fix this crisis by individual action. Human psychology doesn't work that way. We need unilateral global action. We are a planet of selfish hypocrites so the only way it will work is if we all force each other to do it together.
     
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    If we won't do it voluntarily, it will never happen.

    How many people who 'support climate action' have actually made the level of sacrifices necessary? Hardly freaking any. If those who claim to care the most won't change, there's no hope. THEY have to lead by example .. every last individual who claims to care, should have already reduced their footprint by 90%. Those watching are seeing nothing by hypocrisy, and that just feeds the complacency and dishonesty.
     
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    That idea was the product of marketing by British Petroleum. They starting telling people to reduce their carbon footprint in hopes it would distract people from pointing fingers at them. You are literally mouthing off marketing by big oil as an excuse for inaction which is exactly what they want.
    https://clear.ucdavis.edu/blog/big-oil-distracts-their-carbon-footprint-tricking-you-focus-yours
     
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    See my post above. There are millions of individuals who claim to want action. If every one of them immediately reduces their footprint to a fraction of what it has been, there WILL be change. Others will see it's possible, and see the positive impact on climate statistics - likely greater than that seen during 2020 lockdowns - and what a huge benefit that will be to emerging and growing industries (forestry, agriculture, tech, fisheries, etc), and will be much more likely to jump on board. There will still be a significant proportion who'll refuse to adapt, but in a democracy we need to make a space for them. Even if we halve the gigantic individual footprints of middle and upper class First Worlders, enough healing will be likely that we can make that space.
     
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    Inaction? Have you any idea how I've lived for the past almost thirty years?

    LOLs
     
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    I agree individual action is necessary, but it must be done along side global action. And global action will make people more likely to act individually because they won't feel like they taking the hit when nobody else is and it won't even make a dent.
     
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    You have a good point that climate advocates should do more to reduce their climate footprint. But that has nothing to do with the fact that our society is based on carbon emissions to the point that its impossible to live a decent life without them. We need to change our civilizations so you can live carbon free and have a high standard of living.
     
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    Because it's either a) the 'sustainability' BS bandaid, or b) totalitarianism.
     
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    You just made my point. You have been living great but did climate change get fixed? This is why we need unilateral global action and is why individual action alone is ineffective.
     
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    OMG, guy. Read that back to yourself, and then have a good hard think about WHY we're in this jam.

    Our society is based on the combined power of our lust for stuff and comfort. And 'should do more' doesn't go anywhere near what I'm talking about. They should have long sinced given up ALL carbon-heavy activities and lifestyles.
     
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    Well lets say everyone did. Did you know that 1/3 of your income you pay in taxes has a huge carbon footprint all by itself? Its so bad that 53% of your carbon footprint as practically out of your control unless you decide to be homeless. We literally have to eliminate the government and live in tents to be zero carbon. This is why we need to restructure our society so we can be zero carbon without having to live in a tent.
     
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    Seriously, this is the lamest excuse ever - and I frankly can't believe people still use it. Claiming to care, then saying "but I'm one person, I can't make a difference, so I won't do anything". It's ****ing bullshit, and you know it.

    Divided down political lines, you could arguably claim that 50% of people claim to care about the climate. If even 50% of that 50% reduced their footprints by 50% (which is still hyprocrisy, but better than nothing), the planet would probably be saved.
     
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    The government already bans products that are bad for the environment. Protecting the environment so we can actually sustain our civilization is just common sense.
     
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    Once again, this is why nothing will change. As long as we demand a first world lifestyle, with all the eases, comforts, and choices which attend it, don't expect anything to improve.

    I love your creative attempts to nail down excuses for inaction. Taxes now! Well I'll give you points for having at least canvassed a good selection of 'reasons you can't do anything'.
     
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    Not true. Take a look at Ed Begely. I probably spelled his name wrong. Some people live what they preach. But to make Al Gore the climate czar is the height of hypocrisy.
     
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    People can make personal decisions that help in some way.

    For example, we compost everything we can. Makes nutritious soil and reduces our garbage. We buy bamboo instead of plastic whenever we can. I use my own bags in the grocery store and big box stores. We rarely use straws at restaurants, simply because there is no need.

    For things we don’t use very often are unplugged.

    we also went down to one car when it became obvious my husband was never going to be a commuter again. Working from home saves a lot of gas.

    These types of individual actions have a tiny impact, but if everyone voluntarily does what they can, at a minimum, the earth will be cleaner.


    I worry more about our destroying the ocean, than global warming. We use the ocean as a grocery store and dumpster at the same time. Strange behavior.
     
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