Biden Could Be Forced To Testify In Trump Senate Impeachment Trial

You forgot Obama with Fast and Furious. Please let Biden take the 5th on national TV. That sound bite will be featured on every Republican campaign ad in 2020..

 

It's called Abuse of Office.



If Biden really did this then he would be unfit for being President. If Biden didn't do it then it would go nowhere with the AG, if he did he should be brought to justice.

The guy admitted to it on video tape, so of course it deserves further investigation to determine if he was BSing or he really did it. The guy wants to be President. We could ask Biden if he broke the law but he'll likely just say it wasn't true and he was bragging. So we have to ask the other side which is what Trump did. Judging by the reaction from the left, I'm thinkin he did it or they wouldn't care because there would be nothing there.

 

Since January, 2017, the Trump regime has been fully empowered to act on Fake Don's phony allegations concerning Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden (or any political rival about whom he incessantly whines and snivels) and yet not a single legal charge has been issued against either, despite Fake Don trying to pressure Ukraine and pleading with China to contrive such a pretext.

Of course, mobs of those emotionally devoted to Fake Don mindlessly swallow whatever their messiah and his media cheerleaders feed them, and screech "Lock her up! Lock her up!" with no concern for the rule of law and American values whatever.

Strident yammering about brazen, flagrant crimes that the Trump operation is compleyely impotent in prosecuting year after year?

"Them folks is master criminals, much too smart for
the God Emperor's zealots to ever catch!"

Eventually, the bamboozled may catch on -
or, maybe, never.​

 

Again, it ain't over till it's over.

 

Despite the relentless impotence of the Trump regime in contriving a pretext to issue a single indictment of Clinton or Biden, zealots will crap on due process and forever shriek that they should be locked up? What a curious derangement.

 

Then you have no problem with Joe and Hunter Biden, Chris Heinz and Devon Archer testifying?

 

And now, here's a portrait of the two world leaders who will benefit more than ANYONE because of this American tragedy --

."Letting Americans destroy themselves was brilliant!"

 

I am unaware of any insights they might provide pertinent to the investigative inquiry.

If there is any credible evidence of criminality uncovered by Trump's vast investigative and law enforcement resources, or those of Ukraine or China, then it is incumbent upon the Trump Justice Department to issue indictments, of course, but their serving as a diversion from the impeachment inquiry is inappropriate.

 

They have.

Putin's clandestine operations to elect Trump to serve his purposes may not have been determinative, We'll never know, but he must be delighted with his choice, a divisive, abrasive incompetent who has savaged the international reputation of the US, and caused Americans to endure a POTUS of whom the majority, consistently and relentlessly, disapprove, and China is quickly moving to supplant the US after its abdication of global leadership under Trumpery.

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I'm not as enthusiastic a "Trumpster" as I was two years ago, Natty, but if you dig into it a bit you'll find that Putin was actually hoping for a Hillary win. Why? Because, more than anything else, the FSB research showed clearly that she was very predictable and capable of glaring stupidity.​

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Trump, on the other hand,despite not being a "Rhodes Scholar", was very unpredictable, mercurial, temperamental, and capable of making a decision on one day -- but then completely reversing it the next day. That kind of mentality can make a man dangerous....​

Like most contestants in any competition, you like predictability and nit-wit stupidity in your opponents, and Putin is surely no different....

Nevertheless, give old Vladimir credit for one thing, Natty -- he and his 'people' read through "Messiah" Obama like a shallow children's story, and famously outwitted him in every encounter and in every issue....

."Watch out, or I'll put my 'Red Line' on you!"

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I'll stick with reality.

The FBI, NSA, CIA all determined what was confirmed by the Republican-run Senate Special Committee on Intelligence:

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."
https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf
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If you need to believe whatever Trump tells you, instead, you may also be laboring under numerous other misconceptions, such as climate change being a Chinese hoax, but such Icarian flights of fancy are your right, of course.

 

If Biden did what he said he did.......



It would be abuse of office and it would be incumbent upon any president to ask the Ukraine to look into it in conjunction with the US AG.

There's more than enough evidence for that.

 

... it would mean that he was carrying out official US policy in line with that of the EU, the World Bank, and democratic reformers within Ukraine.

 

So extortion was part of Obama's US policy?

 

Attempted diversions aside, the RINOs of Trumpery are confronted with an enormous challenge - maligning Democrats, America's apolitical public servants, "the media", and the majority of Americans who, consistently and relentlessly, disapprove of their messiah.

That is a formidable undertaking, but one facilitated by an expansive paranoia and generalized contempt for facts.

Trump's gagging insiders in the know such as Mulvaney and Biden, however devious that appears, may be necessary.

 

Good. No president should be forced to speak under oath to settle a he said, she said, based on the opinion and speculation.

 

It is not even open for argument, Hilary is absolutely guilty of violating federal laws, when she trafficked in classified material across her unauthorized personal email domain server. You are wrong if you claim otherwise

 

If I were Biden I

I claim otherwise and I am right.

 

There are are no words to describe how ignorant your comments are. It's a fact, Hilary did traffic in classified material with her email server. The FBI even found classified emails which were still on the hard drive she that she tried to destroy. The law, 18 U.S. Code § 793 (f), is clear, it a violation of the law either to knowingly send, receive or store classified material improperly, or to do so thru negligence, i.e. carelessness. But you know of all of this, because we have been down this road before. So just stop this farce of yours where you pretend to be ignorant of this law.

Really? It was official US policy to single out a Ukraine prosecutor by name, and get rid of him? Show me.

The facts are, that the Vice President's son worked for the company this prosecutor was investigating.

Geez, if this was Trump who did either what Hilary or Biden did, wow, you guys would have a stroke. But since it's Democrats....

 

A plain reading of the law says otherwise.

18 U.S.C § 793(f):

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,

(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or

(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

 

Oh, a "Special Committee on Intelligence" said Putin would prefer Trump over Hillary? Mmm... impressive. Are those essentially the same intel agencies who swore up and down for two years that Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction"...?

The Russian Federation's FSB was, and very likely still is, the very best intelligence-gathering organization in the world. We'll never know exactly what FSB Director, Alexander Bortnikov, may have told Putin about either Trump or Hillary, but two things seem certain -- Trump has always been an unpredictable, egocentric person who changes his mind frequently about many important things (thus, potentially dangerous to any adversary).

But Hillary? Follow her all the way back to Arkansas and you see the same predictably doctrinaire, shallow ideologue she was from the very beginning, with an unfortunate weakness for carelessness and stupidity thrown in the mix. Do you think that an analytical master-mind like Bortnikov would have missed any of that...?

 

If your hyper-partisanship causes you to be in a tizzy over the findings of the FBI, NSA, and CIA as confirmed by the Republican-run Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that confirmed Putin's interfering in the 2016 presidential election to hurt Clinton and help Trump, you are free to pretend that it never happened, that millions of invisible dastards all cast bogus ballots against Trump and cost him a popular vote victory, and that he released his tax returns just as he had repeatedly promised he would do. If the notion that climate change is a Chinese hoax works for you, you can derive whatever solace such a silly idea affords you.

The imagination affords a wonderful escape from unacceptable realities. The RINOs of Trumpery seem quite satisfied with their alternate version.

While you are giving your blind faith such a rigorous wok out, you may as well pretend that most Americans have not, consistently and relentlessly, disapproved of your messiah.

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Republicans have to be gnashing their teeth over the abject stupidity of the Republican President.

Trump's order to retreat in Syria betrayed a key ally who suffered 11,000 casualties in quelling the ISIS terrorist threat. Trump's retreat order facilitated the Turkish invasion of Syria and the attempt by the Turkish dictator, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, to annihilate the Kurds who he regards as terrorists.

Trump enabled Edogan to kill hundreds of Kurds and causing thousands more to abandon their homes, becoming refugees.

On a day when live, public House impeachment hearings began featuring two key witnesses against Trump, William B. Taylor Jr., acting ambassador to Ukraine, and his boss, George Kent, deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, provided devastating evidence of abuse of power, on a day when desperate Republicans are trying vainly to defend Trump from his own incriminating statements, guess who Trump invites to the White House.

You got it, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

It is an in your face gesture to Republicans from a Republican President.

How smart is that?

Republicans are in the midst of drafting a bipartisan sanctions bill targeting Turkey for its aggressive action against the Kurds, aggressive action caused by Trump's retreat. Some of the strongest Congressional critics have included some of Trump's closest congressional allies, including Senator Lindsey Graham, who has repeatedly warned Erdoğan about the repercussions of his actions and has drafted his own sweeping sanctions bill targeting the country.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle called for Trump to rescind the White House invitation to Erdoğan entirely. The White House declined to do so.

How smart is that?

Pretty smart if Trump is acting like a Russian puppet whose sole purpose is to create havoc in the capital.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/13/politics/trump-erdogan-republican-senators/index.html helped with this report.

 

Despite Clinton's indictment, prosecution, trial, conviction and sentencing in the mind of trump fanatics, the basic principle of American jurisprudence, "Innocent until proven guilty"
endures, and despite all the braying, all the extensive law enforcement and investigative resources of the Trump regime, even with solicited help from Ukraine and China, have failed to contrive any pretext for charging her. Whether you deem them all incompetent or woefully lax is entirely your choice.

Here is the reality you will have to ignore if you need to cling to the fake Trumpy version:

After Trump withheld the needed military aid from Ukraine, did he ever once mention "corruption" as his excuse in his phone call with President Zelinsky? Did he mention "Biden" more than once?

 

fast and furious was a sting operation gone bad, sometimes happens

sometimes the bad guys get away - just like the bad guy in the Mueller report... Trump