Biden plans to end the Keystone Pipeline day 1 multiple sources confirm.

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  1. Chrizton

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    In theory at least that project is good for the environment as it is cleaning up a naturally occurring toxic wasteland.
     
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    Fake News.

    Baker Hughes data reveal a 7th straight weekly rise in the ...
    [​IMG]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/b...eekly-rise-in-the-us-oil-rig-count-2021-01-08

    Baker Hughes BKR, -0.22% on Friday reported that the number of active U.S. rigs drilling for oil rose by 8 to 275 this week. That followed increases in each of the last six weeks. The total active U.S. rig count, which includes those drilling for natural gas, was also up by 9 to 360, according to Baker Hughes. February West Texas Intermediate crude CLG21, +0.90% continued to trade higher following the data, tacking on 94 cents, or nearly 1.9%, to $51.77 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

    WTI Crude was trading at $19.48 a barrel when the lockdowns started, it's at $52.15 today.

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    Do you double check anything before you post it as fact?

    The whole point of internet access and a search bar is so that one may be easily well-informed and not led about the nose by fake news propagandists. For the love of G-d please just take a moment and look things up. The folks that constantly lie to you will continue to do so, as long as it is effective to do so.
     
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  3. Daniel Light

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    Dude , please. Your oil rig count is deceptively cut short. In December of 2019, there were 677 oil rigs operating
    in the US vs 360 today. We have had a glut in oil production for several years now. The cost of oil is such that it has
    hardly been profitable to run US shale oil production. Importing Canadian oil does nothing for US oil independence.
     
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    Biden plans to end the Keystone Pipeline day 1 multiple sources confirm.

    Everything Trump did is now bad so it has to go along with all kinds of other benefits to the nation.
     
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    Your claim was that "US oil prices are so depressed."

    Your claim is wrong.

    Further, you feign surprise that our rig count has dropped since pre-COVID? Whatever is the point of that? Of course it's down. The point is that it's climbing. Are you not expecting a economic rebound as we exit COVID?

    Do you want all of our long term planning to assume the continuation of the COVID Economy during the Biden Administration?
     
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    No, I want our long term planning to be based around the REALITY that fossil fuels are a limited resource and the
    world is shifting to renewables whether you like it or not. And yes, I realize fossil fuels will be around for decades - but the general trend
    and the new jobs will be in renewables.
     
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    Or idiots...
     
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    Or invested in tesla and understands that a 300 mile range and <10 min recharge on batteries that can last for 1 million miles within the next three years will be a total complete game changer.

    You know how the fossil fuel crowd was dismissing renewable energy with definitive declarations of it being expensive, unreliable, impractical, with technical challenges that can't be overcome?

    idiots? more than a few running around.
     
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    And what are the cars made of? Note gas isn't the only thing that is made from oil... And note the promise of super efficient super long lasting quick charge batteries have been promised us for decades now. That promise is always three years out it seems .
     
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    Trump gave this project the green light for the sole reason that Obama had stopped it.

    Now for the millions of jobs Trump has been promising during and after his campaign, we all know what they're worth.
     
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    And you forgot all about covid already did you?
     
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    Right, he bungled that one big time too.
     
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    How so?
     
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    It's been discussed here time and again. I assume you were away somewhere.
     
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    Of course it has and I keep asking and the answers I get from the left are almost entirely ridiculous boiling down to little more well it Trump so it had to be wrong. I was hoping was hoping you could support the statement with actual facts and data by I guess I'll never get an actual answer to the question that isn't much more than 'wah Trump'.
     
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    why are all States suddenly discovering the fake surplus will not be coming after hearing it was being released?
     
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    So, you saw it all and still need to ask what happened. You're a big boy, aren't you.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Biden must destroy America's energy independence. Its bad for the MIC.

    Don't worry. We'll be fighting over oil in the ME again in no time. But at least Trump won't be hurting your feels.
     
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    I know what happened. The left however is lost in their own false narratives.
     
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    We are none the less doing so the only thing is do we bring it in by trucks and trains or far safer pipe lines.
     
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    Sorry Daniel .. but you are wrong . - on both fronts ... and yet you have the arrogance to call the poster asinine.

    As it turns out the reverse is true - and .. now for the second time in this thread- you have no clue what you are talking about.

    Which is better for the USA-Economy and the Environment

    A) Getting oil from Canada/Domestic - via Pipeline or Mexico for that matter.

    B) Getting oil from Nigeria/ Foreign - via Tanker

    and explain your answer .. or just guess and I can do the explaining - being a Subject Matter Expert and all that good stuff ..:oldman::oldman:

    I generally agree with your perspective - clicked like on many of your posts - but on this subject you are on the wrong side- unfortunately - and I truly regret that this is the case .. as it is quite painful when I had to tilt Red this time .. having tilted Blue the last 2 elections .. despite the last 4 years of Obama being a disaster on many fronts ... none of which Red rarely ever mentions -- interestingly enough


    Bad enough that Blue is now anti ACLU - demonizing the Dershowitz for maintaining the same position as he did with Clinton - and the correct position.

    Bad enough that blue is now Neocon central - despicably so although not quite as greasy as Tricky Dick Cheney- demonizing the likes of Tulsi Gabbard - representing the few remaining neocons .. albeit small - the club is Bipartisan.

    The straw that broke this Camel's back - is that Blue's Environmental Policy is now worse than Red .. and Red doesn't even have a policy to speak of.

    fk me .. this is a sht show.
     
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    That's not your call. The purpose of the economy for us to provide each other goods and services. If there is no market for this, it won't be built. If there is a market for it, you are not the arbiter of "better not to". This self-righteous paternalism is a bit much.

    https://vittana.org/13-pros-and-cons-of-tar-sands

    1. Tar sands helped Canada become the #1 foreign supplier of oil to the United States. This has helped the US become less dependent on OPEC products, provided an economic boon for Canada, and provided communities in Alberta with numerous jobs that wouldn’t be present if the tar sands were not being harvested.
    2. It is a secure source of energy in great quantity.
    3. Environmentally responsible mining. The materials that were removed from the site so the mine could be effective have been kept in reserve to restore the land once the bitumen has been completely harvested. The topsoil and other vegetation has been held in reserve so it can be replaced.
    4. Recipients of tar sands experience economic benefits. Workers in tar sands operations can earn an excellent wage. Many operations have a lack of workers, which means current employees can ask for higher wages and receive them. In the US, where tar sand bitumen is routinely processed, many jobs are created because of this product as well. Just one expansion project in Indiana, for example, that occurred in 2009 created up to 1,400 unionized pipe fitting jobs.
    5. Land preservation efforts occur simultaneously with tar sands operations. One company involved in the Alberta tar sands operation, Syncrude, spends more than $100 million annually on land restoration efforts. Some of the lands which have been reclaimed have been fully certified by the Canadian government.
    6. It fits into existing systems. Because the bitumen from tar sands can be converted into crude oil through its processing, it can fit into our existing energy infrastructure quite easily. This helps to keep costs down and doesn’t require any changes to societal infrastructures to use the energy resource.
    7. It helps out a good neighbor. Which is good on our part as Canada is also water rich and our entire Southwest desert could probably be converted to crop land with abundant water projects, of which Canada could be a very rich resource of abundant supplies of fresh clean water.
     
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    Fake News. Your claim that oil prices are depressed is false. Now you are shifting to your real argument that you have personal objection to fossil fuels.

    Next time start with your self-righteous paternalism rather than fake economic arguments.
     

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