Biden signals to aides that he would serve only a single term

Not that I can disagree with you, but if I was the dem nominee I think i'd be shooting higher but that's me, Taking a lesson from the T.K. choice because I don't think he moved the needle at all in Clinton's favor, if anything after his debate with Pence (which imo he struggled) he moved the needle in the wrong direction. When you have an opponent (donald) with such a strong base you have to find someone that can help you with the independents and I question if Amy does that. The only thing they have in common is that they would be a center left pairing, but that would likely alienate the warren/sanders crowd and if those people sit out, not good. If they push to appease the hard lefties, they will likely lose the moderate independents, not good.

Does that make sense?

edit: I guess my bottom line is that I question if she can help create enthusiasm, something that is sorely needed for the Dem's.

 

I'm pretty sure, based on the 2018 results and continued anti-Trump sentiment, that the enthusiasm will be there...

But you are correct that if the bernie/warren side doesn't throw 1000% support behind the eventual ticket (I don't think it will be either of them), there's gonna be problems..

I give Bernie a small share of the 2016 defeat.

 

Bernie came out for Hillary tho, despite the fact that he had every right to be pissed. It was his supporters (myself included) that were convinced that he got a raw deal from the dnc.

 

He probably did... I have no idea, since I didn't follow the 2016 primaries or Democrat in-fighting leading to a final candidate.

What I do know is that that cannot happen again or this will happen again...

 

Biden won't get the chance to serve, period. He's too old, too frail and the campaign will eat up all of whatever he has left. Not to mention he can't stand toe to toe with someone like Trump.

 

I think they paid him off to support her (money and position) and they settled the lawsuit very quickly. He lost a lot of his credibility with his base when he sold out. Now he looks like a complete fool going around screaming about racism, climate change and fair elections. Are the people in Vermont that far outside the realm of reality to vote for such a stooge? He belongs in a cartoon and as an example of what not to be when you grow up.

 

IMO he sold out (capitulated?) because he believed that Hillary and the DNC, who both wronged him were still more aligned with his ideas than Donald and the GOP. Basically he lost whatever pride he had and went with the party that screwed him over and the media joined in and focused on not what he emails said, but who "stole" them, and then proceeded to ignore the fact that 30K were missing (and still are missing)

 

Interesting, I followed that fairly closely, and i'm not a democrat but I liked Bernie but you certainly come across as a democrat.
Curious why you say you didn't follow it?
Only two possible answers I can think of are:
1)You were a Hillary supporter which = "meh, he's not even a 'real' democrat" glad he's gone
2) You don't live in the US.

 

Basically incorrect with both possibles.. Born, bred, educated, married, raising child in Virginia, USA... never lived anywhere else (as an adult) and never will.

I'm not a Democrat, although like Angus and Bernie, I caucus with them... I was going to vote for whomever the D's nominated as the candidate, and I didn't really much care who that was. But yes, I thought Hillary Clinton would have been an OK president (10x that today) and I found Bernie, while highly intelligent, a little out there for my personal taste (again, that was in 2016... he's looks much better today).

Like most of America, I was not "politically aware" of much of anything before Trump was elected... I only joined this forum on October 2017, after I realized I needed to become aware to be able to understand more and attempt to counteract his effect.

For 2020, I haven't watched 1 second of the Democratic debates. While we started this with my thoughts on Amy, that's just personal preference, not based (much) on platforms or stances on policy.

I will again vote for whomever comes out this process on the D side, because I fear 4 more years of a Trump presidency. I am actually very impressed with the 4-5 times I've seen William Weld on TV, but I understand he's fighting a nuclear war with a BB gun.

 

ok, I hadn't considered that option, my bad.. I've always been a bit of a political junkie, all the way back to Reagan, so sometimes I forget that everyone else didn't start out that way 20+yrs ago.

As I said about Amy, I actually think she's more of a moderate, my primary criticism was that she was a bit boring, her actual stances on several items aren't that bad considering the competition, but if she doesn't bring enthusiastic supporters to the table, then she'd be a net negative. By contrast Sanders and Warren have terrible stances from my pov but IMO they'd both be a net positive because they brings millions of loyal supporters, as opposed to people settling for 'whomever'

But I must ask, what is there really to fear about 4 more years of a Trump presidency? Sure he's an annoying prick but are you convinced he's ruining the country? Is there really anything to fear?

I personally can't stand the guy, voted against him twice, hated him on the TV show, absolutely nothing to like about his personality but as far as putting America First, despite the fact that he's a major ******bag about it his policies are pretty dam positive for the USA. Perhaps i'm selfish, but if yes then i'm being selfish for 350 million of us so its not just my best interests that I'm thinking of but those of my neighbors and fellow citizens.

 

The 2018 midterms were skewed by the Mueller hoax over Trump's head, and anyway the majority of voters who went for Trump in '16 and Dems in '18 are planning on voting for Trump next time. The impeachment farce is only firing up the Trump base. All he has to do in his campaign is to ask if you're better off today than you were four years ago.

 

No doubt Trump is regularly boorish, but tell is the millions enjoying the benefits of his economy. There is a tremendous amount of societal good done from a great economy, no government handout can match it.

 

Sure he's not, just like there were no socialists in the Democrat party the whole time Obama was president. Yet the minute Comrade Bernie stepped out of the commie closet there were suddenly millions of socialists. I'm almost afraid to call you folks commies and be proved right in a cycle or two...