Biden to announce vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees

Sure, but then the 50s kids grew up and flags were burning all over the place in the 60s due to the Vietnam war, assassinations, riots, drugs, and the hippie movement. The country changed very quickly.

 

Thanks for reading my posts and noticing that.

I’m pretty sure I just posted several paragraphs advocating for the opposite of a nanny/authoritarian government! I guess people only see what they want/need to see to be able to keep from having to examine their preconceived opinions for flaws.

Oh, I know what I’m talking about on examining our opinions for flaws. I had to separate my belief in value of human life from the pragmatism of allowing people to do things you don’t like and won’t do yourself on the abortion issue years ago.

 

You say that with such excitement as if you know what you're talking about. Look at you go.

However, the CDC announced that they stopped counting breakthrough cases of the vaccinated on May 30th, they are only counting the ones who require hospitalization, so it's impossible to know how many actual breakthrough cases there are which then also means it's impossible to know who is spreading it more.

 

You're welcome.

@FreshAir is usually reasonable. I think s/he gets a little hot under the collar on the abortion issue. It's a hot button topic and the dragons love to pounce on her and @FoxHastings so they get a little defensive sometimes but they seem like good people, IMO.

Yep. Live and let live. I just keep a wide berth around the exceptionally annoying ones. Adds to my sanity and longevity.

 

It's no one BUT government's business. It's a PUBLIC HEALTH concern like sewer and water without which we all die of cholera and typhus; things which we don't even think about but take utterly for granted. Things without which you and I and our families and children would almost certainly be dead or never born

Anarchists need to study up on why population stayed flatline steady for literally millenia but then suddenly started doubling every 50 years. Hint, it's NOT because of the rise of democracy or communism or fascism or anything else you're taught about in school. I leave it to you to find out why but understand; you should know because it's almost certainly the reason you're alive and reading this right now

 

It wasn't quite like that, the early 60's were much like the 50's. I got out of the Navy in 66 and never saw anything but respect and free beer when people heard I was fresh out. It got worse and things were hard for those who came home later.

 

Using your comparison, you're saying that those who don't vaccinate will die of covid.

False

 

Well like you said about a job. They can just go to another state and get an abortion.

 

It got worse towards the end of the 60s, especially due to Vietnam, but even before that there was unrest and race riots even in 1962. Maybe saying "flags burning all over the place" is an overkill, but it was a wild decade (not that I do personally remember it).

 

It's an undisputed fact that we can't mix sewer and water but if you get Covid you probably won't know if you got it from someone who's been vaxed or one of them old meanies that won't get the shot. I'm not an anti vaxer but I am also not ready to give up the right to choose that for myself.

 

So we disagree.

 

I was in Long Beach during the Watts riot and you're right it was a bit turbulent.

 

Yes.

 

after you show where I have

I am pro-choice... are you too?

 

I am being reasonable, I say treat both the same, if we allow one, we allow both

we either support a nanny state or we do not

 

You seem to think giving people only choices they would not make of their own volition is somehow not authoritarian.

Your above “choices” are the logical equivalent of me only giving you two choices. Death by firing squad or death by hanging.

I don’t want a nanny government giving anyone your three choices above. You seem cool with it.

 

Meh, I support full on infanticide. F***, just allow us to murder the inconvenient bastards right on up to their 16th birthday.

 

There really wasn't a need for flagrant sarcasm. The reality is the children of mothers who don't want them typically suffer all kinds of hardships. I don't believe in abortion as a birth control safety net, but I also don't believe anti-abortionists are doing any infant/child any favors by dictating the laws in such a way that a completely dependent and vulnerable baby is left in the care of mother hell-bent on not taking proper care of them.

 

Maybe you missed the point. The fact is that all of our actions have consequences, they won't go away because they are inconvenient. If there's a heartbeat then there is life and at that point no one has the right to snuff it out. You made a choice, you live with the consequences. BTW, I'm sure that there's no measure of how many were born into just such a situation and lived to become intelligent, healthy, and productive members of society.

 

There is information on the internet in which you can read the data on the unwanted children born to mothers that wouldn't and couldn't care for them. I'm certain a small percentage of them thrived despite their upbringing but that's not the norm.

My point is this - if *you* (collective) care (truly concerned) about the "life" of that baby you want some woman to bring into the world, so something beyond lobbying elected officials to criminalize abortions and help.

There is a constant shortage of adoptive and foster parents,
there is a gap for children between the ages of 2 and 16 that needs to be filled (and this is the most vulnerable subgroup),
there are children right now being abused, neglected and abandoned.
There are children right now with grumbling tummies because they won't have dinner (their only meals are at school).
There are children right now who are being gang-raped by human traffickers (some of them won't survive through tonight).
There are children right now who are being gang-raped by staff members in group homes.
There are children right now who are being forced into slavery (sexual or other) by their foster parents.
There are children right now committing suicide because they'd rather be dead than suffer any longer.
There are children right now in the hospital with sexually transmitted diseases because their abusers raped them.
There are children right now being sold to the highest bidders.
There are children right now that have been hurt so much they've lost the ability to speak.
There are children right now that are too young to even know the words of what's been done to them.
There are children right now giving birth to their abusers' child.
There are children right now giving birth and murdering their newborn babies and/or themselves.

I fully defend your right to hold whatever opinion you want to hold about anything your heart desires. However, I'm a former police officer and a former child abuse advocate and I can tell you that the percentage of babies born to mothers that don't want them are disproportionally slated for trafficking, prison and/or death before their 18th birthday.

I am deliberately NOT posting stats and data and studies on this because it's meaningless if you don't bother to read it. However, if you truly and sincerely want to know what happens after the umbilical cord is cut, you'll find the information. It's there. Be warned: It's not pretty.

 

Using barbaric behavior to justify barbaric behavior is not convincing.

 

I don't really care about your opinion. There are countless of you people standing on the sidelines passing judgment on other people's lives. I guess it makes you feel good about yourself because plenty of you do it. It means NOTHING to those of us that walk into the lions' den every day to protect the children you don't give a damn about after their umbilical cord is cut.

So save it. I've heard it for more than 20 years and all of you Monday morning quarterbacks repeat the same useless tired garbage.

 

Oh get over yourself ffs. All I'm doing is being logically consistent.

 

Trying to attach projected emotions into my posting is an ineffective way to try to debate. There was no "excitement" in my content. Hospital after hospital after hospital is reporting between 93-98% of all hospitalized C19 cases being among the unvaccinated. It's really that simple.

 

I certainly agree those of us who wish abortions to cease need to be actively involved in solving the problem. From the ground up. I try to advocate for and fund causes/policies that create a society where abortion is mostly unnecessary and completely unwanted.

There is a fine line between compassion and enabling/normalizing behavior and frankly I’m not sure where it’s at for me personally.

What I’m sure of is if I want freedom I have to let others do things I don’t like that harm themselves and others. And if I oppose something I have to use logic, reason, my resources and persuasive facts—not force—to effect change.