Bigotry nonsense

From the sixth paragraph in your first source:

The bill was meant to create an issue, not fix one.
Bigots are often emotional and act without justification though - par for the course.

 

Gay people are doing nothing wrong simply by being gay. They also first attempted to legalize civil unions but the religious zealots in their narrow perspective had the practice banned (by the courts). They also banned any contract that even resembles a same sex Union so save everyone the injustice remarks. Religious groups fired the first 50 shots against gay people are are now upset all the little wins lost them the battle.
You mean how blacks corrupted the system by getting the courts to side with them? Oh let's ignore that one...

It's difficult to discuss rational and logical issues with some people, especially when they act like they are walking the high road, accusing others of being beneath them, when they are actually swimming in the mud.

 

If marriage was ordained by God, and really was limited to a Man and a Woman, and you a heterosexual male marry a woman, and your salvation is secured, why should you care enough to interfere with a Gay couple down the block or the lesbian couple next door ?

Their getting married does not affect you in any way, whether it is a sin or not, why should you care one way or another, since each person is responsible personally for their own sins, their own repentance and subsequent salvation, you are not responsible for anyone else's sins.

"John 8:3-11King James Version (KJV)

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Examples of sins

 

Sure the truth is different for everyone. But no one has the lock on what is truth. It is to each own. Therefore, no one should try to tell another they are wrong because of a different truth. Just live according to your own.

So what? It's not your place nor the OPs place to say what is right or wrong. To tell someone they are doing something wrong, while doing wrong oneself is hypocritical. For being wrong is subjective.
And no one is forced to accept it. Just don't commit illegal acts in response to not liking it. The whole world doesn't revolve around christianity. Most of the world does not.

Immoral is another subjective term. You are not the decider of the world what is or is not moral. You can do that in your personal life but you can't force others to live by your misguided morals.

What is truth? There is no universal and absolute truth.
You posted that very thing in your very 1st response to me.
And the only group I see trying to corner the market on truth are christians. And are losing some of the truths they forced upon the rest of the USA and are now mad.

 

Marriage has existed in one form or another for several Million Years.

Humanity itself has existed in one form or another for over 5 Million Years.

Long before any organized religion decided that the union or marriage of two or more people to each other would be dictated by religious dogma...these unions and marriages existed and existed way long before any GOD or GOD or Religions existed.

Morality is SUBJECTIVE and what one person believes is immoral is what another person considers daily life.

It is the height of ego and conceit for anyone to believe they have some right to dictate what is or is not immoral or moral to another person as long as no one is being hurt.

AA

 

The World is a cold inhospitable place, if two people can come togther and comfort one another, lift each other up, cook for one another, make a home together, and be true to one another and support each other finiancially and emotionally, why should anyone intefere with that ?

Will you to out of your way to shout at them ? Throw rocks at them, hurt them in some way?

Refuse them service ?
Or other assistance if you see them in a car, broken down by the side of the road?

 

And right after that incident he said to the woman "go and sin no more". He was being loving and just in that instance. Tolerance had nothing to do with it. In fact if the Pharisees done it right Jesus would've called for the woman's (and man's) stoning.

 

As I stated before that's talking about hypocritical judgment. In the very same chapter in verse 44 it reads that you should know someone by there fruits which is a form of judgment.

Then what was the message and what did it convey?

Prove the article wrong.

 

Do you know what's wrong with good old fashioned dishonesty? It's dishonest. ONE paragraph out of six does not make your case. SB 757 was about more than just preparing for future assaults on the Rights of pastors. Hmmmm... you seemed to neglect mentioning that.

 

Then why I'm a bigot for going against homosexuality but not polygamy or free sex?

I answered it, we already have a government heavily based on the Bible. It's what the pilgrims started with 400 years ago.

 

I can't believe you just posted this.

I am not religious but I know the Bible, Koran and Torah and what you have just posted is sickening.

Have you ever SEEN a person being stoned to death?

I have...in Afghanistan.

Young woman who was raped and her Husbands father insisted she be tried by Sharia Law for infidelity.

She was sentenced to death by stoning.

Small village on a mountain plateau at about 9,000 feet.

My Team and I had just done a JOB and we were being tracked by several groups so we hid in the large rocks that were on the sides of these relatively steep mountain walls that surrounded this village.

We saw the whole thing and I was Team Leader and had to chose between stopping the stoning and alerting the enemy to our position.....or waiting it out.

I chose the later and not a day goes by I do not remember what happened.

All of my men wanted to stop it but I could not allow that to happen as it would mean many or all of their lives.

They buried her up to her chest and we recorded the entire event with our Digital Video Scopes on our Barrett .50 Caliber M82 Sniper Rifles.

There was a very large pile of stones most baseball to softball sized and the very first people to throw stones at her head were her own husband, father and father-in-law.

The Human body is tough so it takes a long time to kill someone by stoning and as this village was surrounded by mountains the sound flowed right up to our positions and we could here EVERYTHING from people talking to the thump of the stones slamming into this poor girls head and shoulders and neck and her screams...oh her screams.

At fists high pitched....then lower pitched...then guttural as blood filled her throat and then small quiet pleading to her husband and father begging them to stop....then whimpering....then nothing.

I am one of the toughest men on the planet but I had tears welling in my eye's as did all my men.

When darkness came and the enemy patrols past us we went down to the village and as we had video we paid those SOB's who killed her a visit.

We took our time.

So do not EVER make light of a person being stoned to death!!!

You who so easily judge what you think is right or wrong...it makes me SICK!!

Perhaps you should think about how the same thing would be done to YOU if you were caught evangelizing Christianity in Afghanistan.

And think about if YOU would want anyone to just DISMISS YOUR LIFE just like you have done above!!!

There is a LOT you need to learn!!

AA

 

Look, this is a gay rights forum, we are discussing gay rights are we not? So by definition I can only talk about this topic in this section. Simple logic. Of course I have sins of my own, but that doesn't prevent me from talking about this particular sin. Would you say the same thing if we were talking about polygamist, pedophiles, zoophiles, or wild women and men?

Doesn't that contradict your last statement about Jesus being tolerant?

 

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

No, you didn't answer it. The little dance you are undertaking to avoid it is cute though.

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What evidence of future assaults on pastors do you have? Besides paranoia.

 

Jesus doesn't send people to hell, but he doesn't save all. He saves only those who believe on him.

 

No I said I don't like homosexuality because its a sin. Just like I don't like murder because its a sin. That does not mean I dislike the murderer only the act he commited.

 

Are you straight? Or do you just "do" straight?

Equating being gay with pedophilia is just an example of your bigotry.

 

Your own article proved your statement incorrect, futhermore the original authors released the following once they saw how anti-gay groups were distorting their findings

Individuals with AIDS typically live 20 years shorter than someone without AIDS.
Your claim that the average life expectancy for homosexuals is 30 is sheer stupidity.

 

The same reason I would witness to Mormons. If the subject is brought up or they come to me I will state my stance.

Actually it can. They can/have their "right" to marry forced on me to accept or otherwise I'm called a bigot.

The way it was brought up to him was false to begin with. If they were really abiding by the law they would've brought the partner. Takes two to tango you know. And it must be two or three reliable witnesses in order for the death penalty to be executed. Jesus saw the trap and instead told them he who without sin cast the first stone. It's probable that the crowd was in this scheme so therfore they were in sin. BTW Jesus told the woman afterwards to go and sin no more. Even if we aren't to judge that doesn't mean you can continue in your sin. You need to repent from it.

 

I prefer not to ignore ANYTHING. I am so opposed to the current system that Donald Trump is a rank amateur compared to a seasoned RESISTER. Amateurs don't get my support. So, let's change the subject... you won't be satisfied until we do.

I am NOT in favor of the courts creating law even if I may be the recipient of their efforts. Like the 16th Amendment, I acknowledge that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/fourteenth.amend.htm#.VwCAHkdaK1s

I'll take the bad with the good in EVERY instance. I'm a constitutionalist and our forefathers warned against the subversion of our Constitution. For example:

"If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

GEORGE WASHINGTON, farewell address, Sep. 19, 1796

http://www.notable-quotes.com/w/washington_george_ii.html

I'll discuss race relations with you at any level. But, back to the issue at hand.

Homosexuality is immoral and it is unnatural. Okay, so homosexuality is immoral based upon whose standards? Yes, that's a fair question... one I tried to address earlier before your side started with the personal attacks. The race issue is weighed upon SOMEONE'S standard of right and wrong.

Ultimately SOMEBODY has the obligation of saying the buck stops here. Right, wrong, good, bad, normal, abnormal - it can all be pretty much subjective. The gays and their liberal supporters want to make this a whizzing contest in order to avoid getting to the bottom line. WHO should get to have the final say in the discussion of gays and their supposed "rights" in our system?

If gays ought to have this special treatment, how about the people who want to have multiple spouses? How about the individual that wants to marry the family dog? How far, as a society, are we compelled to tolerate any and all kinds of behavior? If the Muslim says their religion compels them to advocate for the murder of all non-Muslims, do you advocate extending the First Amendment to them? Wouldn't it be "bigotry" not to? ALL of my questions continue to be relevant to this discussion.

Let's take gays.

The overwhelming majority of people in a community don't want gays to teach their children in a public school. Since we're talking about a majority, it stands to reason they probably pay the most in taxes as well. WHY should the gays be able to over-rule the sentiment of the majority... I mean, most gays and liberals belong on the Democrat side of the equation, so majority rules, right???

From my personal perspective I have answers to the questions I'm asking. You'd rather attack me than to give me the obvious answers to the questions I've been asking on this thread. The two of us realize my responses would be fair and consistent. You can't do that so you'll resort to drawing this out with one of this sentence by sentence criticisms of my post. That won't take away from the substance of my questions and I won't respond to that kind of exchange. Know this: the subterfuge and the dodging and ducking of straightforward questions by your side is a definite sign of the weakness or your argument. Take that and the name calling by posters on the gay side is unraveling any response you might dream up in the future.

 

Not sure what you mean by "do" straight but yes I'm straight (which is usually associated with being righteous or right interestingly) and in fact I'm a virgin and will continue that until my wedding day.

But as long as both parties consent isn't it the same? BTW I've equated homosexuals to polygamists and loose men and women but no mention of those have been made. Wonder why? Also aren't you a bigot against bigots?

 

Gee..a virgin.

Who would have guessed?

Every member of PF raises a hand.

AA

 

Then that would include you because you're a bigot against me. BTW I hold no malice against the person's views, just the views themselves. Am I'm a bigot against anti gunners?

Alright, I believe that we should base our beliefs on the Bible because the Bible is true and it worked for America for 400 years. Happy now? The quran however is a violent religion so we shouldn't accept its views.

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It is your BELIEF and OPINION that the Bible is true.

However much of the Bible specifically the Old Testament has been easily disproved as fantasy.

AA

 

Go ahead and laugh now. But we'll see who get the STDs and have to pay alimony to several divorced spouses down the road. If nothing else my position is safer.

 

Waiting to have sex with a woman before marriage is on average a recipe for divorce.

A couple needs to know how they are in bed....living together and just being together before they get married.

And contrary to your most ignorant of statements it is very easy to prevent yourself getting an STD without having to get married.

And we have this thing called....BIRTH CONTROL....just to inform those still living in the 18th century.

AA