Black Culture Pathology, What to do?

Three outright errors in one sentence. Nice.

Silliness.

You mean the anti-science climate scaremongers.

Garbage with no basis in fact or logic.

Another bald falsehood from you. We know war is part of our nature, and Marxism reliably causes poverty.

 

Blaise Pascal: “What a chimaera then is man, what a novelty, what a monster, what chaos, what a subject of contradiction, what a prodigy! Judge of all things, yet an imbecile earthworm; depository of truth, yet a sewer of uncertainty and error; pride and refuse of the universe."

Jesus Christ: "Love God and love one-another".

The former is a statement of where we have come from (and where we still are), the latter a statement of the possibilities.

Marxism today is a positive philosophical concept (in economics), as much as anything else.

China, through being guided by this concept, will be bigger than the US within the decade.

And then what of your "war is part of our nature" assertion? (an assertion which also ignores the fact that Christ was human...)

You poor deluded 'individual sovereignty' individualist.

 

No, it's still anti-economic garbage, just as it always was.

China ceased to be guided by or exhibit any practical resemblance to Marxism ~40 years ago. It's communist in name only.

Not going to try to guess what you incorrectly imagine you think you might be talking about.

 

China has recently re-affirmed its commitment to 'common prosperity'; the CCP is well aware it needs to maintain the esteem of the citizens, who these days are remarkably better off than their parents generation....and who daily are watching on TV the exploits of their space heroes building the nation's space station.

The latest policy direction from the PBofC is moving money from market real estate and stock market speculation toward the real economy development. Very Marxist (in spirit). What's Powell up to these days? ...trying to work out how to cease QE without popping the US ponzi bubble...

China will be bigger than the US in a decade. Even you might be keen to reform the UNSC then...as part of implementation of a real international rules-based system criminalizing war.

 

Marxism would not involve private corporate ownership of producer goods, which China clearly has in spades.

He's only trying to work out how he is going to justify shoveling even more money into the pockets of the super-duper uber-rich in return for nothing.

I have advocated UNSC reform for ~50 years, which is likely since before you were born.

But not that pipe dream of reform.

 

Funny, I never heard any conservative speak up for the likes of school shooters, except to say they need to be put away.
Methinks you complain wrongly- and too much about that.

On almost all felony crimes, the black population commits FOUR times it's population share.
53% of all murders are committed by black people- yet they comprise only 13% of our population.
Those numbers come from FBI crime statistics, they are not guesstimates.

This is not because they are black. it's because the culture of the black community overall is heavily seeded with poor values, with victimhood, with the idea that racism is to blame for everything- including not getting a job when you walk in looking for a reason to shout "racist". How you behave depends on the values you hold and the role models that form your character as a child.... but 71% of black kids grow up in single family homes. The concept of blaming all their frustrations on others is rampant- and that insures you can't do anything about them, because they aren't your fault. Thus, they literally reject the power to control their own lives, then complain because their life is hard. When you think you can't- you don't try, and that leaves violence crime and other means of getting by.
Black drop out, fail literacy and much more higher than any other group. Not because they aren't capable of learning, but because the culture they come from fails to cultivate achievement.

The solid black citizens of the nation suffer most from the image the irresponsible black people create. Unfortunately, they don't speak out enough.... and when they do, they get trashed for being Oreos and Uncle toms. The low-life of the culture never ask the achievers how to become an achiever, either- so they remain where they are and deny any control over their own destiny.

We've tried all the gifts, the exceptions to rules, the grants of unequal privilege, everything we could think of to change this attitude, to open the doors for all- but it's like the old adage of leading a horse to water.
Change in the culture means calling for personal responsibility, and that means accepting the consequences of your own actions and the responsibility to change your actions to create a better future. They aren't willing to step up to that plate.

Culture. What's in your head and how you think- and only they can change it.

 

The issue of socioeconomic problems was mentioned in passing, but both of you prefer to ignore this problem which is the central issue. People (in the main) with secure above-poverty incomes and legal employment don't indulge in gun violence.

Yes: and black incarceration rates are 5 times those of whites, while unemployment and poverty rates are double those of whites. That's aka systemic disadvantage, inc. generational disadvantage. (BTW, latest unemployment data show black unemployment increasing to c.8% again, due to pandemic related issues, while white unemployment is stabilizing at much lower levels (though still above pre-pandemic levels).

So how do explain the increase in black unemployment figures mentioned above?

One reason for that sad reality (underlined) is because our market economy is directed by a cruel economic orthodoxy which trades inflation against unemployment, aka NAIRU. Naturally the most disadvantaged - blacks in the US - are the ones that must experience that necessary inflation-controlling level of unemployment (as stated in the NAIRU dogma of orthodox economics).

Addressed above. In the game of 'musical chairs' which is a NAIRU economy - ie, avoiding unemployment in a NAIRU-directed economy - in which in fact external factors ARE to blame (no doubt reinforcing personal failings which appear to confirm your simplistic criticism of individual bad choices without any understanding of the external macroeconomic reasons for those bad choices)

Simplistic half truth, as explained above.

The "solid black citizens of the nation" have well-paying jobs and suffer less systemic disadvantage than even "white trailer trash"......for reasons outlined above. The solution to all systemic disadvantage is a Job Guarantee (funded by the currency-issuing federal government).

Addressed above. You are ignoring systemic disadvantage related to faulty macro-economic settings.

"Culture"? Those "solid black citizens" are doing fine, partly no doubt because they were raised in the 30% of black families that DO have two parents.

"It's the economy, stupid".

 

The Chinese are pragmatic and results-oriented above all else; that's why Xi has recently called for a re-emphasis of "common prosperity" (the Marxist ideal), now that the nation is churning out billionaires at a faster rate than the US.

Yes: the disgusting outcome to be expected from private-sector "invisible hand" competitive markets, without oversight via public-sector planning directed by the central government, on behalf of "common prosperity". Powell is a merely a (admittedly powerful) representative of the insufficient market economy model - in a world whose ecological, pollution, and biodiversity limits are being breached by 'business as usual'.

Meanwhile, as many people have been murdered in wars since 1946, as were slaughtered in WW2 itself.

So what are your proposals for "reform" of the UNSC?

"Pipe dream"? In the age of MAD? You better hope the Pentagon is prepared to f.... off out of the Taiwan Straits, when China is the bigger more powerful economy (in around a decade).

 

Prosperity of any sort has nothing to do with Marxism. Marxism is all about hatred of employers and blaming them for what landowners do to workers.

Effectively all of those billionaires made their money through political connections with the "Marxists."

Nonsense. The disgusting outcomes have nothing to do with markets, they are purely an artifact of privilege.

The market did not create trillions of dollars ex nihilo and give them to the super-duper uber-rich. The Fed did.

Which just goes to show how hard it is to stop.

Permanent seats for India, Germany and Japan, and three permanent members' votes for a veto.

What we want and what is possible are two different things.

 

Are you going to force them to work? What happens when they say "no thanks"?

 

I take you have a vested interest in absolving parents of responsibility for their sh!tty offspring. There's always some kind of personal motivation for people to come up with 'reasons' to avoid root cause. Perhaps a lack of love tough enough to do what's right, or a sinister insterest in disabling future generations - or both.

 

Of course that's why they're doing it .. duh. Did you think it was so they could smell more roses?

These people KNOW that we Westerners are shedding personal responsibility like there's no tomorrow, which means we'll all be life renters in the not too distant future. They're watching us undermine ourselves, all in the name of hedonism and self-indulgence.

 

Make it uncomfortable to continue on that path. Reduce access to benefits with each subsequent child born, and with each failure of a neurotypical child to complete high school literate and numerate.

It will do one of two things (though hopefully both): stop the wrong people breeding indiscriminately, or prompt extant parents to make the effort they've failed to make thus far.

 

Yes, one can assume that the challenges we face in life are what makes us good citizens- or criminals and bums. That is a convenient evasion, one that those who don't want to face that challenge love to hear, and love to use. It's also BULL.

I've worked with severe drug addicts, with young people in prisons, and with projects building subsidized housing for the poor, taught classes for people seeking to improve their lives, consulted with corporate CEO's to train them in understanding people. I've been hired to teach school teachers how to read and reach their kids, by corporations to train their supervisors and managers the same thing. Boeing had me run such a program for 200 managers at one point. Many psychologists have come to my classes to learn my methods- and I am not a psychologist. I can teach a person how to become strong and self sufficient and rich if they wish. I can teach them how to change themselves, but I CANNOT make them change their perceptions and attitude- and that is the sole difference that matters between people who are successful as human beings, and people who are failures.

People don't fail because society didn't offer opportunity- they fail because they don't try.... and they don't try because they don't know how to believe in themselves as worthy; they lack the embedded values that provide that which are first acquired in early childhood- It's cultural. IF it was just based on your having what others have, then people who are poor would never become rich. Self-respect and the success that brings you cannot be gifts- they MUST be earned. If your parents gave your the tools- you can do that. If they did not.... chances are you will not. It's still possible, but it will take vastly more courage than most have, and few can bring that to the table.

There's a black woman that came from a childhood environment that was about as poor a situation as you can imagine. Today- she's recognized and known worldwide as an exceptional person in most every sense of the word. The property taxes on her home are right at $1M. You know her as Oprah Winfrey. Now Oprah is lucky- in that somehow, she was gifted with the mentality to see beyond the culture she came from and recognize what was possible, and found the courage to challenge all she had been exposed to and rise above it. It's not the money or the size of your home that makes you a winner- it's the ability to take control of your life, be responsible for your decisions, and earn your own genuine respect. That ALL depends on how you think, and the bulk of how you think comes from the culture of the environment you were raised in. NOT the physical attributes, but the culture; the mindsets, beliefs and values of the people around you. That CANNOT be altered with laws, with free money.... Nothing from the outside. Nothing is more personal. Black or white, if you are raised without a positive environment and positive role models- the chances of you being a solid, happy citizen are poor. The potential is there- but the tools to make it happen are not.

Yes, it's harder for some than others- mainly because the generation before fails to provide for the ones they procreate, so that generation is again starting at the bottom. IF they fail to lift the bar and give their children some values, some self discipline and self respect- those children will do the same again, and their children will also start with zip. Now it would be nice to think if you give people money- they would have personal value and become fine citizens. That absolutely does not work. You value what you earn- and with the earning comes an emotional paycheck in the form of self respect, of independence knowing you do not need to be carried by others. Nobody living off the system has that, because it can only come from the inside.

If you want to win the race- you are going to have to run. Any fool that wants to declare those who sleep in the starting gate winners is living in a fairly tale. IF that worked, the black community today would be thriving and improving, not setting fire to Minneapolis, telling us that looting was reparations, and the only reason they aren't rich is that rich people aren't giving them enough money.

Greatest frustration of my life is knowing I have the understanding and tools people could use to change their lives- and few are interested, because it's not easy enough. Not free (in terms of effort), not easy, not an entitlement, and we have far too many people telling them it's all somebody else's fault and somebody else will fix it for them. They will die waiting for that, and will be angry at the world everyday for not giving them what they are entitled to.

I realize you won't understand this. You, like almost all people- want the solutions to problems to fit neatly into what you already believe... and reject anything that doesn't.

 

It's not what happens in life that determines who we are- It's how we respond to it.

 

And you're OK with the legal institutions that enable them to?

Nobody ever voluntarily "shed" their personal right to liberty. It was forcibly stripped from them and made into the private property of the privileged, especially landowners.

It's in the name of greed, and the Great God Property.

 

Bingo. A guaranteed job is an absurdity. They could with equal logic guarantee people a marriage.

 

Evolution runs on the fact that $#!++/ people tend to have $#!++/ offspring. But the genetic dice sometimes roll a natural for the worst people, or snake-eyes for good people.

Like your eagerness to blame the victims of evil rather than the perpetrators.

Oh, the irony...

Never ascribe to evil what is adequately explained by stupidity -- and never ascribe to stupidity what is adequately explained by greed.

 

White kid kills 20 kids equals political opportunity is the left view. The root cause was not the gun, it was the will to use it.

Why did the Black kid kill the single white person?

 

No work, no income. Simple.

 

Hey no work, no pay. Uncomfortable enough?
(Actually most peop[le involunarily unemployed will welcome a job with open arms).

An above poverty job - guaranteed - will do that more effectively, as people realize they cannot afford to save for a holiday trip, and simultaneously breed beyond their financial capacity to bear the expense of raising children.

 

Like I said, the CCP is not hung up on -isms. National development and common prosperity are the motivator, obviously being achieved more successfully for a large population than anywhere else.

[aka "a prosperous socialist society in all respects", envisioned on the anniversary of the ascent of the communist revolution, ie, by 2049. The eradication of 'absolute poverty' among the entire population was achieved this year, on the anniversary of the founding of the CCP in 1921].

Surely the political connections were not necessary,. ditto for Gates, Zuckerberg and Bezos in the US. (IIRC, some Chinese billionaires have been reprimanded by the CCP for failing to support government policy).

Wrong. Markets will of necessity increasingly be relegated to a lesser role in economic development, while the efficiency/incentive aspect of markets becomes less significant as global ecological, environmental, and pollution concerns require more planning, less "invisible hand' economics, to achieve an intelligent allocation of resources (and wealth distribution).

Yes: but the market failed to connect Texas to the national grid - one example of market failure among many.

We are almost there; next step is to get rid of the UNSC veto. Note: We are now in the era of MAD for the first time in history, so the past can be no guide to necessary future arrangements

8 members? (Note the SCOTUS has 9 justices, the majority vote establishes the law; same is required for the UNSC in the sphere of international jurisprudence, without war).

Let's add Indonesia (as the largest Muslim country); and also the requirement for sustainable economic development in all UNGA nations. (thus realizing Keynes' vision of a 'clearing union', to avoid currency and trade wars).

You didn't address the scenario, which is China taking posssesion of Taiwan within the decade, when the Pentagon is the weaker party.

 

That's what the socialists all said in the USSR, Cuba, etc. Didn't work. If their jobs are guaranteed, people quickly learn how to simulate working without actually putting in any effort or achieving any productive result.

 

Yu are still ignoing the reakity of the 'musical chairs' aspect of our NAIRU economny.
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And as to wheter people can accept unemployment and homelessness in quiet despair, or react in anti-social ways, the problem of unemployment and homelessness remains..

 

The enablers of disenfranchisement (Welfare Statists) are not interested in improving the human condition. They're interested in sustaining disenfranchisement. There are no accidents.