Black Lives Do Not Matter

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by ElDiablo, Feb 25, 2016.

  1. micfranklin

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    Okay.....And?
     
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    Sources were posted for you. If you cannot prove they are invalid, I will be reporting you for trolling as you are not a professional.
     
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    Usually you have blacks killing blacks.

    So the question has to be; matters to whom?

    Abe the outlaw president had at least that one good idea.
     
  4. Egalitarianjay02

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    Where is the source for this claim?

    "A recent poll indicated that 75% of White Americans regret that Mr. Lincoln's desire to send all the blacks back to Africa was not implemented."

    ElDiablo never provided a source for this poll which is why I reported him.
     
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    Black lives matter if taken by racial outsiders.

    That nearly all black victims of murder are killed by other black people is completely ignored. The BLM protesters harass white people in restaurants rather than doing the same on the front lawns of gang members.

    In other words, the "antiracist" angle this group tries to take is a total fabrication, but then again the group formed after the Missouri "hands up don't shoot" hoax anyway, so we see this group has zero dedication to actual facts.

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    Yes, you and your spite flagging.
     
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    "Liberals" don't grant value to life. God does.

    I can't argue against the second statement. The inability to keep the cities safe is a reason I don't care for the gun control, pro-War on Terror, anti-cannabis, pro-amnesty arguments.

    Black lives matter very much to black people. Unfortunately, somewhere along the timeline, some clusters of black citizens developed a nihilistic/socio/psychopathic mentality. This is the same thing that happens to any other people when they're forced into hopeless environments.

    BLM, with all their faults are far more effective than the church. The church and other loose factions are supposed to deal with black crime. BLM's focus is the police.

    Who gives a flip what those 75% of "white" people think on sending anyone anywhere? The truth is a lot of Black people are descendants of this land. In other words, many are already home. Whites are the same people who tries to exterminate everyone they come in contact with. They have the nerve to try and evaluate if other people believe lives matter. Pffffftttt.
     
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    If black lives really mattered very much Democrats would not win elections.
     
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    They do matter. Just because people are powerless to stop a government from attacking them, doesn't make their lives matter less. No argument can change this fact.
     
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    Then they do not matter enough for black Americans to vote against the political faction that has always worked to destroy their families, their culture, their communities and ultimately their lives.
     
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    It's not much of a choice when we listen to the rhetoric coming from the competing camp. When I try to make the pitch to vote other or Republican, since Black people fare better under its platform, there's always the peanut gallery sounding like the want to bring back "the good old days." People get terrified of that rhetoric. It makes my job of convincing them that much harder.

    Just look at the OP. 75% of the respondents wish Lincoln was successful in sending people to Africa. Many Black people vote Democrat because they believe voting the opposite helps hateful people become powerful over them. I hope what I'm saying makes sense. It's hard to explain.
     
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    I think black Americans know that the GOP is virtually indifferent to them. They also know that the DP keeps them sheltered, fed and cared for by the vast bureaucracy that forms the core political base of the DP. The DP is reliable to that extent.

    The GOP offers no credible attractive alternative.
     
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    We may have to agree to disagree on this. At best the GOP is indifferent. At worse, they are a little hostile. Still, Republicans, even George W. Bush, have done more to help black Americans than Democrats have despite all the media spin. Also, Black Americans fare far better in Republican states than they do Democratic ones.
     
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    They matter enough that white conservatives are scared as hell of black folks and have been trying to keep them down since before the Constitution was even written.
     
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    Indifference, given the condition of the Black community, is at least a "little bit hostile".
     
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    Citizens from Black Communities in Republican states have the space, freedoms, and safety to excel. There are plenty of Black entrepreneurs in Republican states and rich ones too. The economics is much better. Some Black communities do great. Some fail. As long as the platform allows the opportunity, it is a good one. The Black communities in many Democratic districts on the other hand are more violent than modern war zones. Perhaps indifferent is better.
     
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    Black crime, and broken families have nothing to do with race. Black crime was low, and their families and communities were strong until a sequence of progressive programs aggressively undermined the core strengths that had always sustained the black community through the harshest of times.

    Disdain for black Americans and race hate has always been a hallmark of the American Left and especially the Democrat Party. Some things do not change.
     
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    I think we're on the same page lol.
     
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    I suspect we are. ;-)
     
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    I'm not flagging out of spite. Where is his source? If he doesn't have one then he lied which is trolling and disruptive to discussion.
     
  20. Mr_Truth

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    Those who say black lives don't matter will love this:



    http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/04/...shooting-6-unarmed-katrina-victims-no-reason/



    Five New Orleans police officers plead guilty today for the cold-blooded murder of two unarmed African-Americans and the serious wounding of four others on the Danziger Bridge during the chaos of Hurricane Katrina. The 2005 shootings were covered up and sold to the press as a “gun battle,” which was later found to be false and lead to the five officers being slapped with a new trial in 2011 for their “grotesque” ethical misconduct.

    Witnesses say the police shot them “like at a firing range” and killed unarmed forty-year-old Ronald Madison, who had mental disabilities, and teenager James Brissette. “I finally got what I wanted, someone confessed” wept Brissette’s mother, Sherrell Johnson.

    The five ex-officers, however, have had their sentences sharply cut with the plea bargain. The sentencing is as follows:

    Kenneth Bowen, 10 years, previously 40 years.
    Robert Faulcon Jr., 12 years, previously 65 years.
    Robert Gisevius, 10 years, previously 40 years.
    Anthony Villavaso, 7 years, previously 38 years.
    Arthur Kaufman, who was involved in the cover-up but not the shooting, 3 years, previously 6 years.

    While many feel the punishments weren’t harsh enough for the severity of their crime and the disgrace brought to the badge, a sense of closure in one of the most flagrant episodes of police brutality in this nation will be a healing balm we all can appreciate. Now we must turn our efforts to ensuring this never happens again. Police have killed 302 Americans so far this year, outpacing last year. It’s clear that we aren’t doing enough. Our citizens must stop being killed by those sworn to protect them.





    All those innocent lives lost thanks to the holocaust created by cops. Hate filled right wingers applaud when the "punishment" they get is nothing more than community service or prison sentences that will soon be commuted.
     
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    This is another lie (black rights activists can;t stop lyimg it seems. If you read the above it looks like the cops forst got off because they lied THEN new evidence forced a retrial.

    ACTUALLY

    The cops were all found guilty and imprisoned THEN it was found that politically motivated prosecutors had procured false testimoney and reports. YES just like in the Duke Lacrosse case the prosecutors lied to suck up to black people who clearly dont care what happened so long as the white guy is found guilty (just like in George Zimmerman)

    Then a retiral was called and the cops plea bargained.

    Since blacks plea bargain all the time for vastly lower sentances why are you so outraged?

    Oh yes...white people for once actually did a crime(unlike Duke lacrosse and Martin/Zimmerman)

    So with 5 years time served most are looking to get out soon.

    Next time I suggest the prosecutors dont become criminals themselves
     
  22. Mr_Truth

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    oh yeah, so true - a lot of innocents were killed at Duke while unimportant people enjoyed their experience at the hands at the cops and are celebrating to this day


    yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
     
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    The Justice Department’s ‘Grotesque’ Misconduct against New Orleans Cops
    By Andrew C. McCarthy — August 22, 2015
    As we’ve previously observed, the Obama jihad to fundamentally transform America’s police, spearheaded by the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, proceeds from the premise that police departments are corrupt institutions, beset by a culture of racism and law-breaking. This week, after a federal appeals court’s exposé of a breathtaking prosecutorial conspiracy to deprive indicted cops of their civil rights, and then cover it up, it is again time to ask: Which is the corrupt institution beset by a culture of racism and law-breaking — the nation’s police, or the Justice Department, which presumes to tame them?

    To remember how we got here: Under the stewardship of Eric Holder, and now Loretta Lynch, Justice pounces on every tragedy that Al Sharpton’s shock troops mau-mau into a racial crisis. Inevitably, the racism angle melts away under the spotlight of investigation, but that does not stop DOJ. Exploiting the intimidating power of its bottomless budget — out of which the Republican cowardly-controlled Congress has not sliced a thin dime — Justice extorts municipalities with the threat of prosecutions and costly civil suits until they say “Uncle,” agreeing to adopt Obama-compliant policing. (Recall that in 1997, when former terrorist Bill Ayers penned a polemic that likened the American justice system to South Africa under apartheid, then–state senator Obama blurbed it as “a searing and timely account.”)

    Predictably, the result is police paralysis, a condition Heather Mac Donald diagnoses as the “Ferguson effect.” It has led to rising crime across the nation, particularly in municipalities that have signed consent decrees (i.e., that have surrendered on the Civil Rights Division’s terms). The principal victims are minority communities that bear the brunt of law enforcement’s retreat.

    RELATED: Eric Holder’s State of Historic Denial: He Politicized the Department of Justice to an Extent Never Before Seen

    Into this setting drops an explosive ruling by the U.S. Court of appeals for the Fifth Circuit. It has upheld the reversal of civil-rights convictions against five New Orleans police officers. The court’s painstaking opinion concludes that, despite the severity of the charges, the district judge properly threw out the convictions because of Justice Department corruption so shocking that “words like ‘incredible’ and ‘novel’ and ‘unprecedented’ were no longer enough” to describe it.

    The case arose a decade ago, from what the court describes as “the anarchy following Hurricane Katrina.” After a report of shots being fired at New Orleans police on the Danziger Bridge, additional cops were rushed to the scene. In the chaos, police shot and killed two men who turned out to be unarmed (one, developmentally disabled). Four other civilians were wounded. All of the victims were black. Though four of the seven officers eventually charged are black or Hispanic (the other three are white), Sharpton’s “National Action Network” quickly labeled the incident “a racial tragedy.”

    RELATED: Officer Beaten by a Convicted Felon Hesitated for Fear of Being Called Racist: Welcome to Post-Ferguson Policing

    The Justice Department took over the case against the police after Louisiana state prosecutors botched it into a mistrial. In 2010, the U.S. Attorney’s Office in New Orleans (USAO) filed a 25-count indictment alleging serious civil-rights and firearms felonies. There were also obstruction-of-justice charges, to which several officers admitted in guilty pleas.

    A tense, racially charged atmosphere enveloped the case, no small thanks to self-styled community activists who sought to condemn not just the defendants but the entire New Orleans Police Department (NOPD). This modus operandi has become all too familiar: When the facts of a case debunk the libel that racism motivated police action — either because some of the cops involved are black or because the evidence proves cops were responding to aggression rather than instigating it — the Left reverts to its theory that racism is institutionally endemic. Even unwitting minority cops act on racist assumptions, we are told, because police culture is to blame.

    In New Orleans, this campaign played out in the media, including widely read blogs. It turned out that a prodigious agitator was Sal Perricone, a high-ranking prosecutor in the USAO. As the appellate court recounts, even before the Justice Department filed its indictment, Perricone, using assumed names, began posting commentary on Nola.com, the website of the Times-Picayune, that “castigated the defendants and their lawyers and repeatedly chastised the NOPD as a fish ‘rotten from the head down.’”

    This is serious prosecutorial malfeasance. All lawyers who are members of a court’s bar have an obligation to promote the integrity of the court’s proceedings — including to ensure that cases are decided by the application of law to facts proved in court, not by inflaming juries with mob passions. Prosecutors, moreover, have a higher ethical obligation to safeguard the rights of the accused — to ensure that even those who deserve to be convicted are afforded a fair trial with their lawful rights respected.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/08/t...rotesque-misconduct-against-new-orleans-cops/
     
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    The constant excuse making for Negroid culture and behavior comes from many sources....and placing blame on anyone other than the black community is inexcusable.....now one can logically argue what the factors are that have contributed to the thuggish culture in the black inner city areas such as those progressive programs which you mentioned...still yet the black community needs to stand up and own the anti-social and pathological nature of many in that community....then they might actually get some help in dealing with their problems....as it now is....no politician dares touch the horrendous situation in the inner city black communities because of the fear of being labeled a waycist....not even black politicians dare go there....other than to actually enable the outrageous crimes emanating from that sector by playing it safe and pc....aka blame it all on white waycism...yeh dats da ticket.

    My opinion regarding the pathological nature of the inner city black communities is that a combination of progressive social programs combined with political correctness worked to produce the outrageous situation that now exists in our inner cities.....and of which said.... is now being exported at an ever increasing rate to our once safe suburbs.

    If what is expected to occur this summer takes place(widespread protests and riots)we may come to a place where a very tough decision will have to be made aka........do we want law and order or not?

    Understanding that if we really want law and order then the political correctness must be stamped out.
     
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    Study: Black Defendants Are At Least 30% More Likely To Be Imprisoned Than White Defendants For The Same Crime



    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ned-than-white-defendants-for-the-same-crime/



    Economists and law professors at Harvard, the University of Chicago, and the University of Pennsylvania have published a new study that confirms what reformers have been saying for decades: the criminal justice system is racially biased. The study is a huge step toward unveiling and ending the racial disparities that still persist in the United States.

    Those of us seeking to end mass incarceration know it is the New Jim Crow. With more black men under the control of corrections departments than were enslaved on the eve of the Civil War, mass incarceration is the biggest civil rights issue of our time. We’ve presented data pleading for reform to remove the chokehold of poverty-to-prison from our communities: people of color make up 30 percent of the United States’ population, but account for 60 percent of those in prison; black defendants receive longer prison sentence than white defendants; black Americans are far more likely to be arrested than white people. The statistics go on.

    But many lawmakers, skeptics, and those who just don’t get it (or don’t want to) argue that these disparities occur because white people are inherently somehow more law abiding than people of color, or that white people commit less serious crimes. The underlying premise is that since the law doesn’t mention race, the justice system isn’t racially discriminatory.

    Think again. This seminal study has now “demonstrated conclusively for the first time that racial bias affects judicial sentencing decisions.” The researchers used a rigorous statistical method that not only controlled for other variables but also controlled for “unobservables” (that may correlate with race), and conducted the study on a statistically significant sample size in Cook County, Illinois.

    They found that “judges take race into account in their sentencing decisions” and that “the magnitude of this effect is substantial.” Judges punish criminal defendants differently based on their race – and only their race. Specifically, judges are far more likely to sentence black defendants to prison than white defendants.

    The researchers divided judges into categories based on level of race bias. To make these results concrete, they compare two examples. There are two identically situated defendants, who differ only by race – one black and one white. If they are sentenced by a judge who is among the least affected by racial bias (meaning in one of the best case scenarios), the black defendant is still 30% more likely to end up in prison. If they are sentenced by judge who is among the most affected by racial bias (one of the worst case scenarios), the black defendant is almost twice as likely to end up in prison.

    Racial bias is at work in almost all courtrooms – and in all parts of the criminal justice system. This study drives home how that is happening, its unfairness, and why we urgently need reform.









    The ever so Christian right wingers who practice the fairness demanded by that liberal Jew Jesus should (in theory) be outraged.

    Haha - fat chance.
     

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