Black Lives Don’t Matter in Israel

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  1. Yetzerhara

    Yetzerhara Banned

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    Eadora You don't live in Israel. You also hide the country you live in. Tell me in the country you live in do you think there is no "racism".... are you saying innocent people have never been mistaken or wrongfully arrested or convicted of crimes...are you suggesting Muslim society is a world of love and harmony....you selectively took at one event, then exploited that event to slur all Israelis as racist...ironically a bigoted assumption...

    Eadora there is no way to tell a terrorist from an innocent civilian whether they be black as you call certain people, Palestinian, Israeli Arab, Israeli Jew..they all look the same and it is because they look the same they might get killed and therein lies the irony of your comment-you don't get it-that innocent man died not because he was black but because he was running and people thought because he was running he had just killed someone.

    The man who died was in fact Eritrean-he wasn't black, he wasn't white, he could have looked like anyone-the civilians were sure he was a terrorist-they attacked him not because of his skin colour but because of his wrongfully perceived terrorist identity-it had nothing to do with being Eritrean and everything to do with running and being in the wrong place right after an attack when he ran.

    You exploit a tragic death to project your own subjective view on it. You see racism because you set out to see racism. You had made up your mind it was racist and that is what you saw when you then looked at the tape.

    There is no race in the ME. Arabs are Jews, Christians, Muslim, Beduin, and come in every variation of skin colour, hair texture, nose shape. So do other Jews, Muslims, Christians. There is no race. Its a mix of all physical characteristics and skin shades.

    You came on this thread using inflammatory and inciteful words to call Israelis bigots. That assumption depended on you assuming you know what a bigot is, and the difference between a mob reacting to a terrorist attack and a mob whose thoughts were as you claim simply to kill a man for having brown skin. It was the former, not the latter. You also do not know what Israelis think individually or en masse and the moment you claim to, you engage in the very bigotry you claim to criticize.

    What you also have done is obscure and trivialize an actual real problem in Israel. Israel does have social tension between its Mitzrahi (Arab/Tsfardic) Jews and Russian Jews, between Ethiopian Jews and Russian Jews of course. Jews like any people have many different values depending on their cultural variations and they conflict no differently than do ethnic groups in your country and all over the world.. Its not necessarily racism as you call it that causes it across the world. In the Middlle East nd in Israel its not about skin colour-its far more complex and it deals with subtle things as well as religious, culture and other issues. It is not about hating someone because of their skin colour. It is about for exmple what one eats, how they pray, what clothes they wear, their accent, the family history, whether those families have been feuding.

    Please stop using this tragic incident as a platform to incite hatred against Israelis. Criticizing bigotry while engaging in it yourself is pointless.

    The sad thing is more INNOCENT people both Palestinian and Israeli are going to die, precisely Eadora because they do not look different-their blood is the same colour. Understand that irony.
     
  2. Margot2

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    Are there checkpoints and Jewish soldiers in Southside Chicago?

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    "If you are strong, and you are fighting the weak for any period of time,
    you are going to become weak yourself. If you behave like a coward
    then you are going to become cowardly – it’s only a question of time."
    ~Martin van Creveld
     
  3. supaskip

    supaskip Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

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    I'll agree with the second point. The first? Damn, well I guess we call all sorts of (*)(*)(*)(*) art these days ;)
     
  4. Gilos

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    Right because all this poster did is rejecting murder right ? it has nothing to do with the demonozation campaign against Israel, does the OP accuse Israel gov?, all Israelis including me or just those that killed the man ? the answer is obvious to any reader so dont try to dodge, for the record that's the reason normal ppl reject his posts.
     
  5. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    WATCH – As Masked Jewish Extremist Tries to Bully
    .......... & Threatens To Stab 'Rabbi For Human Rights'

    http://972mag.com/watch-masked-settler-tries-to-stab-rabbi-for-human-rights/113146/


    Volunteers and activists were accompanying Palestinian olive harvesters
    in the West Bank to help protect them from settler attacks and are
    accosted by Masked Bully – An everyday occurrence in the West Bank


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clzzSd8qu94
    [video=youtube;clzzSd8qu94]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clzzSd8qu94[/video]

    & you Willfully Ignorant folks are all a WONDER why those nasty Palestinians
    ............................................................................... fight back any way they can



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  6. Gilos

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    Edora - you blame Israel and USA in racism yet you hide your own country, as Yetzerhara said - you have no rights blaming others of crimes while you refuse to stand under same judgment.
     
  7. Gilos

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    Shouldnt the masked man shoot the activist and stick his severed head on a pole or something ? y'know because Zionists are sooooo dangerous and wicked and evil and crap ?

    more seriously, whats the context of this video, how do we know this activist didnt enter the man's house or garden starting to "protest" ? all we see is shoving the activist back + some beatings and the mask man retreats, doent look like further conquest or gaining of new land to the evil zionists.
     
  8. Eadora

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    Double
     
  9. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Yah - Kind Of :cool:
    It probably has something to do with the epidemic of Police Brutality and
    unwarranted Police Murders that are now flooding the States -

    Citizens are now perceived as the enemy by US big city Pigs who have
    betrayed their Oath to Serve & Protect

    U.S.-Israel Strategic Cooperation:
    Joint Police & Law Enforcement Training

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/homeland.html

    Israel-Trained Police “Occupy” Missouri
    After The Killing of A Black Youth

    They attacked & beat people who exercised their right to protest
    https://electronicintifada.net/blog...ice-occupy-missouri-after-killing-black-youth

    Chicago Police Superintendent Delegation to Israel
    http://embassies.gov.il/chicago/New...ads-Law-Enforcement-Delegation-to-Israel.aspx

    The purpose of the delegation was to allow the group to engage directly with
    their Israeli counterparts to discuss best practices, unique strategies, and new
    technologies in a range of law enforcement areas. The visit also aimed to build
    a foundation for enhanced collaboration between the Chicago Police Department
    and the State of Israel.

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  10. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    The Context was in the LINK provided – If you had bothered to read it

    why can't you Face the uncomfortable FACT ? –
    Many of your West Bank Settlers have become an out of control mob of Wild Dogs
    [color=#fffff]...................[/color] - And are fast becoming a serious & ugly liability to the State of Israel


    Jewish Extremist Tries to Stab 'Rabbi for Human Rights'
    http://972mag.com/watch-masked-settler-tries-to-stab-rabbi-for-human-rights/113146/


    A right-wing Jewish extremist threw stones at and attempted to stab president of Rabbis
    for Human Rights, Arik Asherman, following an olive harvest coordinated with the
    Israeli army on Friday. Nobody was significantly injured in the incident.

    Rabbi Asherman and a group of Israeli and international activists arrived to accompany
    Palestinian farmers to their privately owned olive orchard, located near the illegal Israeli
    outpost of Gideonim, which is an offshoot of the Itamar settlement.

    Following the harvest, the Palestinian farmers noticed suspected Israeli settlers stealing
    olives and another setting fire to the hillside. Rabbi Asherman said that because
    firefighters did not arrive quickly, he went to try and put out the fire himself.

    At that point, the masked man who set the fire, ostensibly a settler from the nearby
    outpost, tried to prevent Rabbi Asherman from reaching the site of the blaze, threw stones
    at him and pulled out a knife and repeatedly swung it toward him. The man kicked and
    punched Asherman.

    Rabbi Asherman and other activists remained at the scene in order to direct the army and
    police toward the attacker, he said in a statement, but it took police 30 minutes to arrive.
    At that point the attacker had already fled.

    Rabbis for Human Rights often accompanies Palestinian farmers in order to help protect
    them from settler attacks.

    The organization’s website explains: “Our presence in the groves with the farmers helps
    keep them safe, as extremists are far less likely to cause problems when they know
    Israelis and internationals are present.”

    A police spokesperson responded to the attack on Friday by blaming the incident on a
    provocation by “left-wing activists and anarchists.” She said officers were searching the
    area for the suspect.

    Between 2005 and 2014, according to human rights group Yesh Din, only four out of the
    246 criminal complaints of damage to olive trees that it monitored resulted in
    indictments. In total, only 7.4 percent of West Bank Israeli police investigations into
    complaints from Palestinian victims of offenses committed against them or their property
    by Israeli civilians result in indictments, according to the organization.

    “From the moment the olive harvest begins, we witness a series of serious incidents
    involving attacks on harvesters and damage to trees,” Noa Cohen of Yesh Din’s research
    department stated last year. “This recurring phenomenon is a result of failure to enforce
    the law.”

    The incident on Friday was far from the first time Rabbis for Human Rights and the
    Palestinians they accompany have come under settler attack.

    For an in-depth look at Israeli settler violence and the authorities’ inability to cope with
    it, I suggest reading Larry Derfner’s feature,

    “Settler Violence: It Comes With the Territory.”
    http://972mag.com/settler-violence-it-comes-with-the-territory/85996/

    Unlike any other aspect of the occupation, settler violence is something nobody outside the radical
    fringe in Israel will defend. This, alone, they’ll denounce. And yet, nobody — in Israel or internationally
    — has found the political will to put a stop to the decades-long phenomenon, even when the victims
    are U.S. citizens.

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  11. Gilos

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    I know some of these things happen and I have no love for those criminals but you force me to compare them to the murders the Palestinians do and to the fact Israel hunts their criminals while the murderers are being cellebrated on the Palestinian side.
    Edit - its hard to read with you fonts but I just realised you wrote about that event, yea its disgusting but like I said these ppl are criminals and by no way get recognition for their actions in Israel, now if they murdered Palestinians and get Hero status in Israel - then we can compare to the Palestinians
     
  12. Injeun

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    You are right on the money. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
  13. stuntman

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    The attack of this settler on the man that is part of the Rabbis for Humen Rights, is awfull we can agree on that, but you need to remember Eadora, this settler is an extremist that I would not be suprised that if he even consider the current government as "left-wing government".

    This settler is not reflecting about all of the settlers, this settler is part of a small extremists. There are alot of good, honest settlers in the West Bank- Please dont generelize.
    Let us not forget as well that the video you showed here about the settler, is only showing part of what was going on at the time. That's what means "out of context". If it was in context, then we could show all of what was going on there. (to clerify, I'm not justifying in any way such attack).

    BTW, if we will take a look on the organizations that donate to the organization of "Rabbis for Humen Rights", we will see that one of the organizations is NDC. which located in Ramallah and even created the "code of ethics for NGOs Palestinians" that calls for a rejection of any kind of normalization with Israel.
    Is it not bothering you that for an humen right organization (Rabbis for Humen Rights), an other organizaion (NDC) is funded it, while written on it's flag that it (NDC) rejacts any kind of normalization with Israel?

    Let's not forget that also the New Israel Fund, that funds RHR as well, are getting funded by such organizations such as the NDC, and using this funding to send a little bit to fellow organizations such as the RHR.

    Source: http://rhr.org.il/eng/rhr-donors/
     
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    Black lives barely matter in Africa... perhaps its time for black people to do some soul searching and figure out why that is, and fix it.
     
  15. Eadora

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    So it's IDF & Settler Kill - GOOD!
    ............................. Palestinian Kill - BAD!

    Perhaps you should become aware of the tally of Dead Innocents
    There are many more masked man's sons who have been Killed by these settler THUGS
    ....................................... - & you can bet your Kibbutz, They have learned to HATE you

    It is way over 10 to 1 in the favor of Zionist Interlopers vs Indigenous Palestinians
    And these tally's can be attributed to the Zionist policies of Collective Punishment, Dahiya Doctrine,
    And the unleashing of Rabid Dog extremist settler nutjobs who are enabled and tolerated by the IDF

    All of which Policies are defined as Criminal according to UN Charter but are allowed by US Veto

    & still you WONDER why these Palestinians fight back, with anything at hand.
    .............................. Even it is nothing more than a Rock or a Kitchen Knife :blankstare:


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  16. Injeun

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    Why should someone care about another simply because of the color of their skin? That would make them a racist. Are you a racist?
     
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    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Coming from an amurcous Liar - I can accept that as a compliment :nana:
    BTW - To people who can manage nothing more in Rebuttal but an Insult - I simply return the favor

    So Much Fun to watch these CLOWNS trying to stand on their head :roflol:
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    Still lying, eh? Here we call that a shameless liar.
     
  19. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    No - No Lie here - It is actually Fun watching you squirm
    as your Vacant & Empty Rebuttal is dissected like a BUG :bug:
     
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    "innocent" people don't stab or shoot or throw large rocks at civilians
     
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    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Neither do they occupy & expropriate another's Land - Destroy their crops
    Bulldoze their homes - Kill members of their families with Impunity - etc etc

    Herd them, Blockade them & then them bomb the Hell out of them
    .................................................................... when they dare to protest

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    so only criminals are being targeted by the Palestinians for stabbing and shooting?
     
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    Injeun
    – You should learn from this guy ! :oldman:
    This is a decent answer and a Worthy attempt at Rebuttal

    Thanking the Stuntman :cool:
     
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    So only terrorists are being targeted by the IDF & Settler Abuse
    .................... for Collective Punishment & Dahiya Doctrine ?
     
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    answering a question with a question, huh?
     

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