Black Lives Matter, Antifa March Through DC, Chant ‘Burn It Down’

Big deal. Who cares?

Obama isn't the President.

And, misguided "whatboutism" won't score any points in this discussion.

Besides, the "Hey Lookie Here, Obama" shtick is so 2016.

As far as the "incident" in the OP--it is much ado about nothing.
That said, IF it can be proven (in court) that any crimes were committed--Then the Perps should face legal consequences.

 

Reasonable debate? You got no debate going.

Coleman Hughes is just a person with an opinion. He wouldn't be able to counter a thing, because facts are facts. None of them are.
Thomas Chatterton Williams is not highly respected, since he's an expert of creol language.
John McWhorter is not highly respected. He's just an associate professor.
Glenn Loury, is not highly respected, since he does economics.

Human Rights Watch has an opinion. They are highly respected on this matter.
Have a wild guess what they think of it....

 

Harris supports BLM, but not the riots. She condemned those.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-late-show-rio-idUSKBN27E34P

You're just spewing typical right wing fake news.

 

I'm well aware of your "side" of the debate and of every one of the arguments you will make before your make them.

All I requested was that you actually spend some time listening to the people who you claim are "not highly respected" so that you might develop a more open-minded and objective analysis about the current race, cultural and political issues.

"You got no debate going," seems closed minded and unreasonable in my mind, but it is only my hope that society looks at all arguments before settling on their own individual opinion. You are correct though that if the only points to be made are "I'm right and you're wrong," then there certainly is no debate going. People will simply dig in harder and deeper to their own prejudices and biased opinions.

I think that "absolute certainty" produces a zero-sum game and takes civilization's course off in the wrong direction, but that is just my opinion after much study. Perhaps I am wrong, but no one has convinced me, with logic and reason, that their alternate opinions are "more" correct. I have been particularly unconvinced by the Cultural Marxist collective which sees "fascists and white nationalist monsters" everywhere they look.

You have every right to think whatever you wish as well as to try to influence more people to join your worldview.

Respect.

 

Neither is Trump, and you see how much that matters.

 

She aided and abetted those persons engaged in the anarchy and insurrection raising money for them to get them out of jail so as she said could continue on the streets. And it only matters what THEY would declare it to be. That being said the Republicans would have a HUGELY better case than this trial of private citizen Trump and could impeach her and declare they are doing it so she can't run for reelection.

That is the goalpost the Dems have planted.

 

AND NIETHER IS TRUMP

But then others here are saying former officials can be impeached so the Reps could impeach Obama to make sure he doesn't run of high office or can be appointed to be a judge or other high official. How about Jimmy Carter for the Iran hostage thing?

 

So only full professors in Black Studies are respected enough to have opinions concerning civil rights matters? MLK had a doctorate in theology and was never a professor so he wasn't qualified?

 

Bailing rioters out would seem to be sorta supporting them

 

Eat at Wendy's
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Photo shopped fire pics are the fav of the radical right.

 

Good lord. The radical right really does have an issue with the truth!

 

Yeah? and, so what?

The actions that Trump committed took place when Trump Was The President (and his Trial is 100% Constituional)

That is an Egregiously Misguided "argument" (and everybody knows that).

Obviously, for a former President to be subjected to an Impeachment Trial (the actual Impeachment Vote by the House Must occur WHILE that person is still the sitting President).

^Does that apply to Carter or Obama? Do tell.

A lot of people commenting in some of these thread have been going around in circles (across multiple threads) adding nothing "substantive" other than an egregious misunderstanding of The Constitution.

For example, you still see people using the Utterly Misguided (and Thoroughly Debunked) "Chief Justice" crap.
^Can you imagine that? It is like trying to argue that "2+2=5".

Anyway the Trial is 100% Constitutional.
^(And, Everybody Knows that. And, the Senate just agreed).

And, anybody bringing up Carter or Obama might a well be posting in the Humor and satire section.

 

As long as the right is fully "unified" with going where Democrats are currently leading, all Americans should fully expect no less than Kamala's impeachment in the House and trial in the Senate at the earliest opportunity, which will come in 2 years. It's crucial to "preserve democracy".

 

So what is the purpose of this trial? It is unlikely he will be convicted so he will still be able to run in '24. Why waste the time and money when there are other better uses for both?

 

The thing: it's not my individual opinion.
Stanford looking into 100 million traffic stops, and the verdict is simple. Black people get stopped far more often with less evidence of why than white people, while white people % proved to be the bigger criminal. They also concluded that when it got dark, that cops stop black people significantly less. Human Right Watch looked into that drug related crime, where again white people are the bigger criminals, yet black people get arrested FAR more often. They added their opinion to it.

So you got Stanford and HRW on one hand, vs your people who got some degree in languages or economics.
Stanford and HRW simply eclips your sources as being highly respected on this subject.

And the fact that black people simply get a longer jail sentence on average compared to white people under the same circumstances.
It's just a fact that speaks for itself. It's simply impossible to argue that race plays no roll.
At this point, you just need to find the decency to admit to all of this.

You have not? Proud boys are fascists / white nationalists movement.
They show up all the time these days. How could you have missed it?

 

~ The purpose is to influence public opinion and a distraction from Bombastic Biden's ridiculous antics. Likely this too will backfire.

 

Wonder if the FBI will seize banking records, telecom records, flight manifests, social media logs for everyone who was in DC before during and after this - ya know like they did for the capitol 'riot'.

 

But he's not NOW and if this is a presidential impeachment then the Chief Justice SHALL be there. And if he is still the President then he is still commander in chief. Get over that.

Obviously not and I note you do not quote where the Constitution allows an impeachment of a private citizen. But if it does then it would apply to Carter and Clinton and Obama, do tell. And why does the has to be the President apply to the House but not the Senate. Where does the Constitution make that distinction?

What's been debunked. You are claiming this is a presidential impeachment. Then where is the Chief Justice who SHALL preside in all presidential impeachments?

If you are saying Trump as a former president can be tried and denied his right to hold high office again then so can all former presidents.

 

~ For that matter where is the president ..?

 

Accountability.
Thats why.

Do you think for one second if the parties were reversed the Qpublicans would NOT hold the trail??
Do you?
Once the impeachment rial is over then Congress can bar the disgraced loser trump from holding federal office again with a simple vote.
Also he can then be tried in a criminal court, which I personally think he should be.

If he is unlikely to be convicted, then why are you all so wound up over having the trial?

 

Coleman Hughes has a perfectly reasonable explanation for those numbers which have nothing to do with "racism", but you've discredited him without ever listening to his rationale, so no point in having a debate if you only have knowledge of one side of the discussion and block out all others.

Yeah, I'll agree that's wrong. Biden's Crime Bill started that whole scenario with the Democrats' calling young blacks in impoverished neighborhoods "super predators", thus making the general public fear blacks irrationally, and they decided to just throw them all in jail, often on minor drug use charges. Their own kids certainly wouldn't serve jail time. Just look at Biden's crackhead kid. He's never served one day. That certainly was racist and not at all fair.

You lost me. I have not "what"? I wouldn't call Proud Boys "fascists" or "white nationalists". They have shown up for years at Antifa riots looking for fist fights or street fights. Seems like since the police won't arrest and jail Antifa for violence vandalism and crime, Proud Boys decided at some point to take the law into their own hands. Vigilantes. I can't defend that activity because I abhor violence and destruction of the fringes wherever it exists.

 

´~ Joe Biden's pick for FBI Director ... ?

 

I don't care what you do with your money. Harris didn't bail anyone out. Why repeat the falsehood?

You apparently disagree with the Constitution. How unAmerican. No wonder you give your money to Trump.

 

Last I heard he was in the White House eating ice cream with the White House Reporters all waiting outside to report what flavor it was tonight. Then Mrs. Biden will put him to bed.