Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

Citing the ME report is madness? I would say ignoring the facts and evidence is madness.

 

The officers called for the EMT's when they realized he was having a medical issue.

 

If those citizen witnesses were the ones who called the ambulance, and the officers thought Floyd was having a heart attack and didn't call for medical, then that is another possible criminal count of negligence.

 

How do you know who called? The fire department EMT's were notified to the scene at 8:30pm....two and a half minutes after Floyd was dead.

 

As totally expected.

 

You keep missing the part where the report is PRELIMINARY. "Potential" substances means they literally have no idea. There's not one word about a heart attack. It's "underlying health conditions."

Why not quit speculating based on your personal wishes and wait for the actual report?

 

Well, you keep assuming that Floyd's complaints of "I can't breathe," is clear sign of a cardiac problem. That is an assumption which you keep repeating to reinforce your point. You don't know why he was saying "I can't breathe," while they were still trying to get him into a squad car.

If they were pushing, pulling, shoving him in trying to force him into the squad car, can you not think of some other reason a black man these days may have been repeating "I can't breathe," to a group of arresting officers while trying to resist? I can.

You've convince yourself that he was "clearly" having a cardiac problem while they were trying to get him into the squad car. There is zero evidence that he was having any medical issues until Chauvin held his knee on the man's neck until he passed out....and for several additional minutes after Floyd was unconscious.

 

I guess all of these protesters repeating "I can't breathe," are clearly having cardiac problems.


I guess Rep. Hank Johnson repeating "I can't breathe" on the floor of the House (over 5 years ago) is showing a clear sign of a cardiac problem.


Gee. I can't imagine why George Floyd would be repeating "I can't breathe," unless I assume it was a "clear sign of a cardiac problem".

 

I have looked up several of the arrested. Trump supporters through and through. You trying to blame Antifa for the violence is even more evidence to support pointing this at Trump supporters / white supremacists. You have zero argument to connect them to Antifa. None. Zip.

 

So is placing your knee on the back and neck of someone having difficulty breathing.

 

Can you post the ME report? I have only seen reference to it in the arrest affidavit. Not even a quote in there.

 

What else would they have been doing? If they couldn't take him by patrol car what was the alternative?

 

How stupid is this?

 

You're better than that nonsense post.

Are you denying Floyd was demonstrating he was suffering from a cardiac problem before he went down?

 

Apparently then, it appropriate to just put a knee on the carotid artery until the man no longer has a pulse or a heartbeat. Can't have them damaging the interior of a squad car, now can we?

 

Google is a wonder friend, I'm not your research secretary I charge for that.

 

I'd rather not confirm nor deny something which is absolutely unknown to the public.

 

The murdering police officer was indifferent to the consequences. He was living in the moment whilst George Floyd was dying in the moment.

 

He was not being strangled and was hardly being touched when he was standing up and complaining about shortness of breath, being unable to catch his breath, a clear sign of cardiac problems and that was confirmed in the ME report. He was also almost continously talking and screaming while on the ground again proving his breathing was not being constricted yet he was still experiencing shortness of breath because his heart was not pumping in the proper rhythm and sequence, the coronary and hypertension disease, and he could not oxygenate his blood.

Weight of the evidence. Prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was entirely because Chauvin was mistreating him. Prove he would have died anyway had his heart been in perfect shape. That's what you're going to have to get in court if there is going to be justice in the court. This is NOT the slamdunk everyone was claiming it is the ME report throws sand on those gears whether you're willing to admit to the facts and evidence or not. Does it mean the Chauvin is "off the hook" of course not he STILL engage in physical abuse and I hope he spends time in jail for it, but we STILL have a system of justice for the accused in this country as much as you might hate him. It will have to be proven in court and this ME report and videos that have come out sets that back for now.

 

It's no more nonsense than reasonablerob continuing to insist that a black man repeating "I can't breathe," to arresting police officers is a certain sign that he's in cardiac arrest.

"I can't breathe," became a common trope five years ago after the death of Eric Garner. You think Floyd wasn't aware of the linguistic power of those 3 words while he was still standing and breathing, well before Chauvin ensured that he really couldn't breathe?

 

Every suspect in the history of organized crime couldnt breathe when they were arrested...

Or just had back surgery...

Or has asthma.

 

There's a full five minutes of video missing and not much description of what happened during that time in the ME report.

No one is going to prove anything on this thread by assuming what happened in the missing information. For instance, prove beyond a reasonable doubt that "being unable to catch his breath", a clear sign of cardiac problems. Nothing says he was "unable to catch his breath". A black man saying, "I can't breathe," to a cop has other possibilities than being a "clear sign of cardiac problems".

"...proving his breathing was not being constricted yet he was still experiencing shortness of breath because his heart was not pumping in the proper rhythm and sequence..."
No, you're assuming....not proving.

The only thing we can for certain see with our own eyes, is that Mr. Floyd died under the knee of a police officer.

And yes, all those currently missing minutes of police camera video and investigative write-ups which are coming at some point in the future, may or may not, sway a jury as to how harsh a sentence Chauvin deserves. You're just speculating about what happened during that time based on a limited and preliminary ME document.

 

The SUMMARY report details to follow I doubt there is going to be a "OH never mind his heart was in perfect health" redo. And cardiac arrest is not necessarily a "heart attack" it's when the rhythm gets out of sync and can't pump in the proper sequence and pump blood through the lungs to oxygenate it and expel CO2. While he was breathing it wasn't doing him any good. That is what the ME report is saying, there is no evidence he died from any neck injury or strangulation or asphyxiation.

“If there’s a determination that he died from something other than the injury to his neck, …the argument is going to be the officer was still participating in his legal duty and he did not die because of what the officer was doing,” explained Jacksonville attorney Gene Nichols.
https://www.oann.com/floyd-autopsy-report-allegedly-shows-he-wasnt-killed-by-asphyxia/

Does that get the officer "off the hook" for the abuse to which he subjected Floyd, of course not. Does it mean he should not have been fired, of course not. Does it mean he will not serve time in jail for that abuse, of course not. But if in our system of justice we are going to accuse someone of a murder you have to prove they caused the death beyond a reasonable doubt. That is going to be much harder to prove now with the ME report. If you can't even acknowledge that you have simply prejudged the case and not relying on the facts and the evidence as the develope and are made known but your emotional desires for a predetermined outcome.

 

We KNOW he was complaining of a shortness of breath, he could not breath before he went down but in fact he was breathing. They officers had called the EMT's because of that distress NOT because he was protesting with the "I can't breath". Cardiac not respiratory. We know he suffered from coronary heart disease and hypertension. We know he was not strangled or asphyxiated.

The weight of the evidence.

 

Everyone knows Antifa was there. Everyone says so in the media. Denying that is like denying it snows in Minnesota in winter.

I've not seen one media outlet (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, NY Times, Wa Po, NPR, etc.) say Trump supporters burned the bank or looted the Target.