Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

Individuals can be charged with criminal "domestic terrorism"....but I don't think that Antifa, as a "group" can be categorized as terrorists.

Good question.

 

The toxicology reports takes two to three, we already have his findings about it was not strangulation or asphyxiation and the cardiac issues and we know he was complaining of shortness of breath before he was even on the ground. You aren't deny that those things are you?

 

People have been cooped up for months and over 40 million have just become unemployed. They have no money and very little hope of getting any. They are tired, lonely, poor, and angry and now they have a movement they can participate in to maybe change at least one small thing.

The cities' leadership failed everyone because they did not join the people but instead took an adversarial attitude against them. If the mayors, city council members, police chiefs, and sheriffs had walked among the people and talked to them and listen to what the people were saying, things could have turned out differently. Once the talk turned to imposing curfews and bringing in the NG and cops using tear gas and shooting and arresting people, including on the air tv reporters, it became evident that the people would have to fight for what they want. So they have started fighting. Who knows how long it will last but it has shown that the US is a hypocrite when it comes to the issue of human rights. Any foreign government that trusts what the US says about anything is composed of nothing but fools because the US has no honor. It gleefully oppresses its own citizens.

 

It usually comes down to "criminal intent". Most police don't wake up intending to kill a citizen. Murder/manslaughter charges can be brought against an officer if they don't follow the rules for excessive force, or if they obviously acted with malice.

I don't think holding someone in a carotid restraint with you knee is "proper procedure" in most cities. If it is allowed in Minneapolis, then I expect that holding someone in that way for several minutes after the person is unconscious and has no pulse is likely to have the murder/manslaughter charges stick to that officer.

 

Not Floyd.

 

I never claimed that at all. But I’m not surprised that’s what you read lol

 

Arsonists and looters are the reason that cities started using teargas and initiating curfews, not the other way around. In the worst cities, they did almost nothing and that allowed the hoodlums and anarchists to be in control and grow in numbers and in damage. Finally, and a few days late....they issued curfews, called in National Guards and started fighting back.

 

It's the same structure as Al-Qaeda. So yes, it's legally possible to designate them as a terrorist group(remember, the Democrats want us to designate the KKK and other groups like those as terrorist groups.) The difference between them is that the KKK and other groups by wit large, aren't organizing. Note on how they gave up that talking point, because the facts on the ground don't support it.

So, sure, we can designate them but it wouldn't make a difference. Designating AntiFA makes a difference because they're an active threat against the United States. Frankly, we should have designated the Weather Underground(Ayers was famously of course charged for the bombings), so there's domestic precedence under law.

 

There is no such federal crime as domestic terrorism. https://www.npr.org/2019/12/31/7927...ks-domestic-terrorism-should-be-a-federal-cri

https://www.lawfareblog.com/should-we-create-federal-crime-domestic-terrorism

But the government can treat people as domestic terrorists by seizing their assets without a trial. https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

 

And he would most likely would have lived beyond that day had he not committed a crime before the police encounter. And he would most would have lived beyond that day had he not resisted arrest during that encounter setting off what appears to be a cardiac event. And he would most would have lived beyond that day had he not had the coronary artery disease and hypertension. And he probably would be alive today even had that encounter taken place and he did not have any coronary artery disease and hypertension. And we still don't have the toxicology report.

If a policeman tries to arrest someone and that person takes off running through the back neighborhood and because they have coronary artery disease and hypertension their heart gives out and they fall and die yes the police encounter contributed to their death. Yes the police encounter with Floyd probably contributed since he fought and resisted arrest in the encounter and that set off a cardiac problem and he suddenly started suffering from shortness of breath, before he went down. Does that make the officers culpable for the probable cause of his death the coronary artery disease and hypertension?

 

What I am saying is that none of the local officials did anything proactively to defuse the situation. They should have gone among the people as friends and not as enemies.

 

~ In my opinion Eric Garner would still be alive. I am not even sure why he was subdued for so long ?

 

There is video showing as they brought him up to the police car and he goes straight down and takes an officer with him. And the fact remains he was complaining of that shortness of breath before he went down and he was breathing while he was doing it, it was cardiac not respiratory. That is going to play into this, it's not the slam dunk everyone was claiming as to a murder or even manslaughter charge. You have to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, this raises a HUGE reasonable doubt the officers were responsible for the death. Mistreated, abuse their power, you betcha and the arses espeically Chauvin should go to jail for that alone. But the ME is saying no strangulation or asphyxiation. That leaves the coronary as the cause of death.

 

I have no interest in you petty argument here, his preliminary findings are out there deal with them.

 

There is no independent evidence that Floyd resisted arrest. Chauvin knew Floyd and deliberately murdered him because of a personal vendetta, most likely because of a woman. It was a personal killing.

 

No it doesn't. It means don't waste my time.

 

I think the legal line is fuzzy at best. I've been watching "Antifa" comments on Twitter this afternoon.

It's pretty easy to recognize Antifa members by their dress, signs and symbols...but they don't "report in" to any central organization.

It's a bunch of individuals who have a common hive mentality toward anarchy/communism and hate for America.

I think the Oklahoma City Bomber was charged with "domestic terrorism" as an individual, but as far as designating some group????? Hmmm. It's a tough one.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/...errorist-group.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

 

And while Juries are supposed to be impartial, everyone in the country has seen the riots. That may actually lead some people to be like "You know what, screw it, the evidence is 50/50 and placating a crowd isn't what we want the Court to be seen as doing." So in the worst case, he might actually get off free.

 

There is video of him struggling with the police and the bystanders admonishing him for fighting against getting in the car. Spare me you fiction writing.

 

I don’t think there is anything they can do other than crack down hard. It’s the looters acting like everyone is their enemy.

 

Trump can always sign an executive order. Which I know, would be an extension and growth of power, but we're dealing with an active state of emergency(that's still in effect, all Trump has to do is include this into it.)

I'm not cheerleading this per se(IE: We want government powers to be limited) but in order to assure this doesn't happen again, we've gotta take out AntiFA and groups like it.

 

The rioters were throwing rocks and bottles at them. You want them to be friendly?

Every single mayor, chief of police and other officials said that they and the police would welcome and support peaceful protests.

Being "friendly" means that neither friend throws potentially lethal objects at the other and they don't burn down their friend's house.

 

I stand by what I say.

 

Friends, not enemies. Antifa sign at a BLM rally. Really friendly.

 

For all of you trying to deny Floyd had been resisting arrest and casuing a struggling with the police before he was on the ground and after which he started to suffer from shortness of breath, before he was on the ground. TMZ has the video here

New video appears to show cops, George Floyd struggling inside squad car
https://nypost.com/2020/05/31/video-appears-to-show-cops-george-floyd-struggling-amid-arrest/

Did that struggle, that encounter with the police contributed to his death, certainly appears so.